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QUOTE (Tony @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 05:27 PM) Totally unrelated note: If Frazier isn't bringing back a lot of interest because of his 1 year left, I'd be fine trying to work out a small extension for Frazier. I think it's important to have SOME sort of leadership in the clubhouse, especially when there are a ton of young guys around, and Frazier seems like he fits that bill. Again, that's only if he is down for playing "dad" and Hahn can't get good value. I could get on board with that. He's not as big of a problem as Sale, Eaton were. As moves are made, I become a little more open to whatever, just because the direction is all the more clear.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 05:25 PM) Not sure how we do not consider this trade a win because we were going to suck the next two seasons at a minimum anyways. Eaton wouldn't have mattered. Shop Quintana for bats, or hell, keep him if you can't land what you want. Our farm system has completely changed in the last 36 hours from a bottom five to fringe top 10, possibly higher with another few moves 1) Moncada 2) Giolito 3) Kopech 4) Lopez 5) Collins 6) Fulmer 7) Burdi 8) Dunning 9) Adams 10) Basabe 11) Tilson 12) Engel 13) Hansen 14) Michaelczewski 15) Fisher That is a dramatically improved system The Nats absolutely lost this trade. They severely overvalued Eaton. Rick pantsed them.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 05:21 PM) Now Renteria must be experiencing deja vu. The big question is who manages the next White Sox playoff team. Cleveland won't be able to hold their window open for more than two more years, three tops. And we're far ahead of the rest of the division in jumpstarting in two days...not to mention the pot of gold tv revenues that no other divisional team will have access to. This young team will be a much easier sell than the 2013-2016 version. Detroit is playing the role of past White Sox teams. Dangling the idea of rebuilding, but no go.

Finally, a rebuild. Thank. God.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 05:18 PM) Unless I live in Charlotte or Birmingham, nothing has changed. Yes, because no one ever gets promoted to the majors

The Nationals are getting torched for this move by the media. Their press conference is clearly indicating they have been completely duped.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:59 PM) I'm still not sure why you don't think this is a GOOD thing. They NEED to suck for a couple of seasons to get good players. That's how this game works. We're not going to outspend the contenders in payroll. He is actually Ken Williams

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 4m4 minutes ago On other hand, one #Nationals player sent me this text: "WTF?!?!" Team still needs closer. Likely out on big two. Melancon, Davis off board. Bryce HarperVerified account ‏@Bharper3407 9m9 minutes ago Wow... Yeah, Bryce ain't happy. lol

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:57 PM) You'll be used to it soon enough. Fine. Give me three or four first round picks.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:51 PM) No, it isn't. We still haven't fixed the main problem in this franchise. Yes, we have. We have a plan and Rick Hahn is clearly in charge. Both of the club's biggest problems solved. Also, the Duck Dynasty club is dead. Third biggest problem.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:49 PM) Hey great. Did you notice the emphasis on position players that they brought in? Did you notice the half a billion dollars they spent in free agency? Doesn't matter. A minor league asset is an asset. Particularly pitchers. The Cubs had a plethora of SS. A plethora of pitchers is nearly as valuable. AND MONCADA

QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:31 PM) I don't think many systems can boast about having the best pitching and position player prospects in baseball. Just based off that alone, we're top 10, if not top 5. We lack depth in position player prospects, but I think Q can help with that. It's reasonable to say the Sox at pitching prospects are what the north sides were at shortstop a few short years ago

Proud of the response from much of the White Sox fanbase. We all wanted a rebuild.

Cowley's been out of the beat for a while, but he thinks these moves are more indicative of Hahn running the show.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:27 PM) #3 prospect, #38 prospect, and Nationals 1st Rounder in 2016 And people are upset?!?! Top Ten farm system. Almost has to be.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:23 PM) Nightengale: So the #WhiteSox land the top position prospect and pitching prospect in a matter of 24 hours, and they haven't even traded Quintana yet Epic. I love the balls on this FO right now.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:21 PM) People are overthinking the rebuild if you're worried about not getting position players at the moment. Up until this coming deadline the goal should be to acquire as much talent as possible. The chips will fall into place after that. If in 2 years our "problem" is that we have too much talented young pitching it can be solved pretty easily. Starting pitching is always easy to move later. This is key. At the end of the day, you can't have too many of a good thing during a rebuild. Our 2020 rotation isn't set. These pieces strengthen the farm and add trade value. I'm not going to say this is a Kenny/Rick thing. All I'm going to say is it certainly looks like someone else is in charge.

I like this trade. Creates the opportunity to move Q for bats.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:30 PM) Good Lord, everyone in here is delusional. On what planet do you think those two could net Turner ++? Another good reason to just have these moves happen already.

QUOTE (kwill @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:26 PM) I just get the feeling the next guy they want out is Eaton. He put up monster defensive peripherals last year. He probably peaked on his value. I wonder if they want his attitude around for the rebuild. It would not surprise if they hang onto Quintana until the deadline or next year. Frazier and Robertson trade market wont develop until some of the other free agents are gone. I think Abreu has a real chance to be more valuable at the deadline than at this point in time. I'm a little inclined to agree on Abreu. It would be good to move him when teams are more desperate, especially if Abreu has a strong first half next year.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:22 PM) Never before seen picture of Ben Zobrist's game-winning AB. Whatever floats your boat, JoeBot.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:18 PM) Compared to Jason Heyward? Is this even up for debate? Heyward signed as a 25 year old with good established offensive production and the plus tools to project increased production. He wasn't signed because of his defensively inflated WAR. Eaton will be traded as an established 28 year old without near the upside to project. He's a hell of a player, but his some of his numbers are smoke and mirrors. GM's aren't dumb. Good point. If he were really that good, he'd be flying off the shelf. His deal is so good, especially when you consider what Fowler will command at 31.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:16 PM) Lol at you just EATING. THAT. s***. UP. Man, you're going to be so bummed when you find out Angels in the Outfield isn't based on a true story. What's Eaton's locker room contribution of note? He threw a hissy fit because a child was asked to leave the locker room because other players were uncomfortable.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:15 PM) I can't believe you're seriously trying to argue this. It doesn't take much to understand that Eaton is a fraud and a locker room problem. Why do the White Sox want to move him? He's young enough to last a rebuild, right? So why move him? He's a sell high 6 WAR player and not someone the front office cares for.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) Yeah, the Cubs won the World Series because Heyward spoke up in the clubhouse. Real life isn't the Mighty Ducks movies. Have you actually read what happened? Do you remember how close the Cubs were to losing that game and the World Series? Are you seriously kidding me right now?