Bananarchy

This thread should read "how do you rate the teardown". 8/10

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 26, 2017 -> 01:07 PM) Let's take a trip down memory lane and look at the roster Hahn inherited in 2013, with the Sox coming off a 85-77 campaign: 2012 40 man, sorted by bWAR That insane thing about that club is that they got almost 25 bWAR from guys on the wrong side of 30. Including a16 bWAR from the aging combination of Alexie, AJ, Rios and Peavy. Few were clamoring for a "tear down" that offseason but it would become obvious in 2013 that the Sox were on a downward trajectory. How quickly things changed. One of the worst rosters in Sox history position players wise, with a 32 and 31 year old leading the Sox position players in bWAR (Alexei and Rios) with 2.8 and 1.2 respectively. Obviously hindsight is 20/20 but in retrospect Hahn had inherited an old, bad, fluke of a 2012 team and also as a newly minted GM probably encountered quite a bit of inertia (led by KW) towards "staying the course" heading into 2013. Well the rest is history, culminating in the exciting but ultimately fruitless 2014 offseason, and the lost 2015, 2016 and now 2017 seasons. The Sox were able to cash in somewhat on Rios and Peavy, but what they really needed was fluke 5 WAR seasons, not prospects. Although the trades bolstered the system somewhat it would obviously be years before Avi and Leury contributed anything beyond replacement level. Taking the long view back and comparing it with the current roster, midway through 2017 it's obvious how much has changed, with most of the Sox' position player WAR coming from guys under 28, and hardly anybody on the roster over 31, let alone relying on multiple mid 30s players. The minor league system was 28-30th almost universally heading into 2013 and now it's almost universally top 3-5. Payroll concerns are non existent and overall the org looks about 25th or so in MLB talent, top 5 in MiLB talent, and probably positioned in the upper 1/3 overall. It's a much better place to be then they were 5 years ago, that's for sure. Overall I gave the rebuild an 8. The Sox have done a nice job, especially considering where they came from. I voted 5, now I'm thinking 8 after reading this.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jun 25, 2017 -> 02:56 PM) Ugh, they have done this one too many times before. How about they scout outside of the family for once? If Stan were to sign Sharp, I'm not sure what the hell he's trying to do. Q would use sharp in place of someone Stan wants to develop.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 11:33 AM) I will say at the end of the day, this 2016-2017 squad was a massive disappointment, I guess a shakeup isn't a bad thing. But Seabrook still here and Hammer gone hurts a lot. Sucks, but Seabrook got the NMC.

Rumors flying that Illinois is potentially going to add NCAA hockey - Partner with NHL for Study Love love love Brandon Saad. So excited

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 08:08 AM) Actually to sign Jake Burger. Maybe to buy out Wade?

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 07:56 AM) Very few people are complaining about the Bulls picking their lane. Theyre complaining about the trade. Tanking and making an okay to good trade here are not mutually exclusive. Not sure why that is hard to understand for some. It's hard for some because we're not all willing to dumb it down like you are. The game is complicated and these trades aren't made in a vacuum. Your inability to accept reality, that the Bulls wanted to rebuild and this was the best offer they had, is indicative of your lack of understanding, not our lack of understanding.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 07:45 AM) https://sports.yahoo.com/2017-nba-draft-win...-005938774.html Pretty much the exact opposition reaction as to the Eaton trade, yikes... A lot of the smarter minds seem to understand the trade as part of a big picture (Joe Dumars gets the trade, for example). People who look JUST at the trade have bad grades, which is completely understandable, but the time was right for the Bulls to move on and they could not do that without moving Jimmy.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 06:33 AM) I'm so excited for us to let the trade exception expire with no moves made. I'm excited for your guy Porter to be a Bull. Can you imagine?

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 11:12 PM) I hate this organization so much. This is going to sound insulting, but the thing to do here is not watch. The Bulls are a financial juggernaut that sell out every game.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 10:35 PM) That is a lot of money...but still...what do I care. None of that helps the rebuild. Unless of course we are going to buy 3 2nd round picks with that 3.5M...in which case I'm okay. Orlando just traded draft rights for two future picks. That's a rebuild trade. Albeit, it's two 2020 picks.

If the Bulls wanted money, just sell something stupid like leaves from ivy

Warriors bought the pick for $3.5 million

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 10:29 PM) What use do we even have for cash? Hookers don't hook for free?

QUOTE (Tony @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 10:26 PM) What was your favorite moment in the Jordan Bell era? Bulls traded it for cash... Woj says "A lot of cash"

I'm interested to see what happens with Jimmy in Minnesota. Wiggins, Townes, and Lavine were all in the top 10 in minutes last year. So was Butler, but Butler severely faded in the playoffs. Under Thibs, I can't help but think they could mess this up by overplaying Butler.

I don't get what the big deal is if you're butler or butler's useless trainer. He signed a contract with no movement protection. Players get traded. I'm annoyed by a bad Bulls trade, but I don't believe in that level of loyalty to a guy who signed a contract.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 09:12 PM) You don't have to get assets that help you this year to get off on the right foot on a rebuild. Maybe a (or some) future first round picks? Future picks would be ideal. Problem is, after the way Boston destroyed the Nets for the foreseeable future, teams have been pretty guarded with their future picks.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 08:55 PM) I mean, as a fan of the White Sox, you don't see the benefit of getting off on the right foot with a rebuild? This was their only opportunity, and they seem to have completely blown it... NBA rebuilds don't reward hitting the ground running. Some years there are only one or two stars and they usually go one or two. To tank is to do everything you can to get enough ping pong balls to land the number one or two pick. The problem is, get too good without getting that transcendent star and you lose the opportunity to break through the NBA hell barrier. It sucks it has to be that way, but the game is the game.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 08:17 PM) Hard to believe people are paid millions of dollars to be this bad at their job. I get the idea, I just can't believe they couldn't have gotten better trash later on. Meh, if you're bad, you're bad. Cut Wade, let Rondo go. Win 12 games and get Porter.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 07:50 PM) And that's why I didn't want this front office making a Butler trade. Not a good trade, but at least they have decided to rebuild, which is the right decision.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 07:04 PM) Bulls front office is total s*** Meh. Make this team terrible. Get in the lottery every year. Build something new. Thank God we're not going in with that three alpha bullcrap anymore. QUOTE (New Era on South Side @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 07:05 PM) At least they picked a lane - the s***ter. Good. More high draft picks

Ready for all this excitement only to pick a non-athlete at 16

Schwarber is a DH. It's idiotic that he's on the Cubs. A lot of this blame goes the JM, too. That guy was insistent on making Schwarber leadoff for no good reason. He's a slugger. Bat him fifth.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 03:12 PM) Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet 27s28 seconds ago More A shocker: The #Chiefs and GM John Dorsey have agreed to part ways. This is like minutes after they sign Andy Reid to an extension? WTF Andy Reid is now coach/GM