Bananarchy

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 12:24 PM) To say it doesn't matter much is not paying attention. It isn't the end all it once was, but just taking ticket revenue, the difference between the Cubs and Sox is a pretty good chunk of change. The White Sox now have some of the cheapest tickets in the league. It matters, but the best way to remedy the solution is to contend, which the Sox have really done less than 5 times in the last decade. I have no doubt seats will get filled when the team has a contender.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 06:04 PM) I thought Gar said all the players wanted Thibs gone? I still contend Thibs overworks his players, but Taj to Thibs makes sense. He's a much less important piece in Minnesota than he was in Chicago. And Derrick going anywhere seems like a bad deal unless he rides the bench.

Once Rizzo spoke up, you knew it was done. Rizzo is the new Mr. Cub

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 28, 2017 -> 09:49 AM) I will never understand people who get so much joy out of I told you so. I'm nearly certain you were among the people who thought Saladino was a nice piece but not a starter on a WS contender. I could be wrong, though.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jun 28, 2017 -> 09:43 AM) A 1.3 WAR player would fit amongst the upper tier of Sox players over the past decade. That's an indictment of the White Sox, not really an endorsement for Saladino

It would hurt a lot more if Flowers were younger.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 28, 2017 -> 09:02 AM) Congrats on the debilitating back injury. He was a 1.3 WAR prior to his back injury. He's a guy. We know that already.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 28, 2017 -> 12:01 AM) How anybody could give the rebuild a 10 is beyond me. Until the guys we got in the Sale deal prove they are good major leaguers I'll stick with a grade of 2. Ditto the guys in the Eaton deal. You give it a 2 - Makes me all the more confident in my 8. They got the best prospect in baseball for Sale. They signed the best player from Cuba. 2? This is a bit, right?

A lot of guys here fell in love with him, but most of the smarter minds took Saladino for what he is: a solid utility player.

I truly agree with Cowley that Wade will poison the water like he tried to last year, but I can't imagine paying him to go away.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Jun 27, 2017 -> 06:14 PM) In other words, Sharp is a real piece of s*** as a human being I think he's more of an overpay risk. He doesn't have a lot left in the tank.

This thread should read "how do you rate the teardown". 8/10

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 26, 2017 -> 01:07 PM) Let's take a trip down memory lane and look at the roster Hahn inherited in 2013, with the Sox coming off a 85-77 campaign: 2012 40 man, sorted by bWAR That insane thing about that club is that they got almost 25 bWAR from guys on the wrong side of 30. Including a16 bWAR from the aging combination of Alexie, AJ, Rios and Peavy. Few were clamoring for a "tear down" that offseason but it would become obvious in 2013 that the Sox were on a downward trajectory. How quickly things changed. One of the worst rosters in Sox history position players wise, with a 32 and 31 year old leading the Sox position players in bWAR (Alexei and Rios) with 2.8 and 1.2 respectively. Obviously hindsight is 20/20 but in retrospect Hahn had inherited an old, bad, fluke of a 2012 team and also as a newly minted GM probably encountered quite a bit of inertia (led by KW) towards "staying the course" heading into 2013. Well the rest is history, culminating in the exciting but ultimately fruitless 2014 offseason, and the lost 2015, 2016 and now 2017 seasons. The Sox were able to cash in somewhat on Rios and Peavy, but what they really needed was fluke 5 WAR seasons, not prospects. Although the trades bolstered the system somewhat it would obviously be years before Avi and Leury contributed anything beyond replacement level. Taking the long view back and comparing it with the current roster, midway through 2017 it's obvious how much has changed, with most of the Sox' position player WAR coming from guys under 28, and hardly anybody on the roster over 31, let alone relying on multiple mid 30s players. The minor league system was 28-30th almost universally heading into 2013 and now it's almost universally top 3-5. Payroll concerns are non existent and overall the org looks about 25th or so in MLB talent, top 5 in MiLB talent, and probably positioned in the upper 1/3 overall. It's a much better place to be then they were 5 years ago, that's for sure. Overall I gave the rebuild an 8. The Sox have done a nice job, especially considering where they came from. I voted 5, now I'm thinking 8 after reading this.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jun 25, 2017 -> 02:56 PM) Ugh, they have done this one too many times before. How about they scout outside of the family for once? If Stan were to sign Sharp, I'm not sure what the hell he's trying to do. Q would use sharp in place of someone Stan wants to develop.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 11:33 AM) I will say at the end of the day, this 2016-2017 squad was a massive disappointment, I guess a shakeup isn't a bad thing. But Seabrook still here and Hammer gone hurts a lot. Sucks, but Seabrook got the NMC.

Rumors flying that Illinois is potentially going to add NCAA hockey - Partner with NHL for Study Love love love Brandon Saad. So excited

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 08:08 AM) Actually to sign Jake Burger. Maybe to buy out Wade?

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 07:56 AM) Very few people are complaining about the Bulls picking their lane. Theyre complaining about the trade. Tanking and making an okay to good trade here are not mutually exclusive. Not sure why that is hard to understand for some. It's hard for some because we're not all willing to dumb it down like you are. The game is complicated and these trades aren't made in a vacuum. Your inability to accept reality, that the Bulls wanted to rebuild and this was the best offer they had, is indicative of your lack of understanding, not our lack of understanding.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 07:45 AM) https://sports.yahoo.com/2017-nba-draft-win...-005938774.html Pretty much the exact opposition reaction as to the Eaton trade, yikes... A lot of the smarter minds seem to understand the trade as part of a big picture (Joe Dumars gets the trade, for example). People who look JUST at the trade have bad grades, which is completely understandable, but the time was right for the Bulls to move on and they could not do that without moving Jimmy.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 06:33 AM) I'm so excited for us to let the trade exception expire with no moves made. I'm excited for your guy Porter to be a Bull. Can you imagine?

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 11:12 PM) I hate this organization so much. This is going to sound insulting, but the thing to do here is not watch. The Bulls are a financial juggernaut that sell out every game.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 10:35 PM) That is a lot of money...but still...what do I care. None of that helps the rebuild. Unless of course we are going to buy 3 2nd round picks with that 3.5M...in which case I'm okay. Orlando just traded draft rights for two future picks. That's a rebuild trade. Albeit, it's two 2020 picks.

If the Bulls wanted money, just sell something stupid like leaves from ivy

Warriors bought the pick for $3.5 million

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 10:29 PM) What use do we even have for cash? Hookers don't hook for free?