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The first sentence couldn't be further from the truth.

As I see it, and could be off, is that if ownership can get an impasse declared, they can force their last proposal as the new CBA, or something along those lines. Asking for an outside mediator was a PR ploy, and the PA knows the owners haven't negotiated in good faith to this point so they won't and shouldn't submit to outside mediation.

I appreciate your search for nuance in both positions as well as completely agreeing with the bolded. In an ideal world there would be a body advocating for the regular employees that make the game run, and they would see a larger increase in the share they very much deserve. But alas, that's not the baseball landscape we live in unfortunately.

Owners sitting on record profits and revenues and pretending nothing has changed for them financially over the last decade is a pretty outlandish and unreasonable starting position IMO. The non-starter offers are a reflection of that. Owners stalling to run out the clock and then feigning at an impasse is also pretty unreasonable. As is the extreme tactic of attempting to stonewall players into a quick capitulation of every reasonable confession they have asked for.

I could take the time to dig back through this thread for itemised receipts, but it’s easier to let the thread debunk you the next time a headline breaks. It’s cute that you equate my disdain for ownership with a presumption that I think JR is evil despite his well documented and lauded loyalty to those in his organisation-loyalty to a fault at times-but commendable levels of loyalty nonetheless. There is plenty to critique JR on and I do so when it’s called for, but that certainly isn’t top the list. Additionally, I’m not putting words in your mouth as a defensive mechanism unlike what you’ve tried to do here again. I can make a nuanced critique while acknowledging the good on the side of opposition and admitting the bad on the side in which I defend. I also don’t need to make false assertions in defense of previous false assertions atop my indefensible position.

No, you’re right, there does need to be some wiggle room to compromise from the players side. I’m just not going to let ownership off the hook for greedily pretending that the labor has outlandish demands and are the ones being unreasonable.

You’ve been called out multiple times in this very thread for making many false and misleading assertions in defense of ownership w/o a single shred of evidence to back it up. You don’t have to agree with my views, but you don’t get to spout repeated falsehoods unchecked.

Yes, thanks for another dismissive oversimplification. I’m not arguing for you to agree with me. But I’m not going to scroll past your pro billionaire drivel without critique or debunking.

This is true. But honestly which side has come to the table with earnest intent to find a fair deal? I can’t say for certain the players have, but the owners sure as hell haven’t. And while they are sitting on record revenues and valuations, they’ve stonewalled and hard-balled and feigned frustration through a media eager to both-sides the framing. I am 100% pro labor, and I’m not saying they are perfect. Far from it in fact. But the ownership side has been far far worse. They could end this today with a modicum of concessions but instead they are pulling PR stunts and crying in the press about lack of progress all while the off-season rapidly elapses and the season is in real jeopardy. Labor didn’t start this shit and they aren’t the ones that need to concede to find a middle ground.

Coming from the most pro-ownership sycophant on this site, this is rich. I would chuckle if I weren’t dizzy from rolling my eyes at the continual nonsensical framing.

Oh I completely agree with everything in your response. Valuations and revenue are both way up, which is why framing matters here. It will cost more than $10m from each owner to end this, and it should. But ownership can more that afford to find a more even split and still rake in cash, but they are pretending like they’ve made fair offers when it’s blatantly obvious to most that they haven’t.

That was a frustrating loss.

Laughable then, laughable now.