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Not that it really matters but it does show how incompetent this team is with fundamentals. They are now 4-9 in extra inning games. Ghost runner starts at second and they simply...can't...score...him. Hope they lose all three this weekend, screw over the Cubs at least.

Thanks for ruining my night!

Interesting scenario this weekend for Sox fans. If the Sox beat the Brewers that could help the Cubs. Since the Sox aren't going anywhere, for me, let them lose at least two, then turn around and beat the Cubs at least one.

personally I'd rather they be producing documentaries on the championships they won in this "window of contention" myself.

August 11, 1912 - The Sox purchased the contract of future Hall of Famer, catcher, Ray “Cracker” Schalk from Milwaukee. He’d wind up leading the league in games caught in a season seven times. August 11, 1941 - In the first game of a double header at Comiskey Park between the Browns and Sox a fight broke out. It happened in the seventh inning when pitcher Elden Auker hit the Sox Joe Kuhel in the shoulder with a pitch. As Kuhel was going to first base he said something and Auker charged him. Kuhel hit him in the face with a punch and blows were exchanged before Sox coach George “Mule” Haas and pitcher Ed Smith pulled Auker away. Browns utility infielder Alan Strange left the bench to join the fight. Kuhel then challenged Auker to meet him under the stands to continue the fight. Umpire John Quinn then ordered Auker taken into police protective custody to avoid any more incidents. Kuhel, Auker and Strange were ejected. In the ensuing melee Sox manager Jimmy Dykes jumped on the back of the St. Louis mascot and drove him to the ground. The teams split the twin bill, the Sox winning the first one 14-9, losing the second game 10-3. August 11, 1964 - The Sox finally won a game against the Yankees 6-4, having lost 10 straight to them that season. Then they made it a double header sweep winning 8-2. Why was winning a game so important? Simple… the Sox won 98 games this season and finished one game behind New York! Making things tougher for Sox fans was that the team closed out the season winning nine straight, unfortunately the Yankees reeled off a streak that saw them win 15 of their last 19 down the stretch to clinch the pennant. August 11, 1965 - Sox star left hander Juan Pizarro came the closest in his career to a no-hitter. In the second game of a double header at Comiskey Park, Pizarro fired a one-hitter in beating the Senators 7-0. The only hit came in the fifth inning, a single to right, off the bat of future White Sox player Woodie Held. Pizarro also walked two hitters but those were the only baserunners. August 11, 1969 - Promising Sox outfielder Carlos May lost part of his right thumb while serving with the Marine Reserves in California. A number of mortar rounds were fired off on the range but apparently the mortar in May’s unit didn’t. The misfire was never noticed in the confusion. May was ordered to swab the barrel out as everyone thought the shell went off. It didn’t, and he when he pushed a metal rod with a swab at the end into it, the shell made contact with the firing pin and went off. The rod, as it was ejected, took off part of his thumb which was later found by another Major League player Bob Watson. It was too late to surgically reattach it though. Intensive rehabilitation followed and May had to have a special batting glove made to protect his right hand. Even though his season was prematurely ended he was named American League Rookie of the Year by The Sporting News. May would come back and have some very good years especially 1972 when he was named to the All-Star team. August 11, 1972 - It was one of the longest games in Sox history and was the start of a four-game series that may have been the best in the decade. The Sox went to Oakland fighting the Athletics for first place in the division, and the day before, the game was called by curfew with the score tied at three after 17 innings. It was picked up on this day and went another two innings before Joe Rudi ended matters with a two-run home run off Stan Bahnsen, as the A’s won 5-3. Sox slugger Dick Allen walked five times in his eight appearances. In the regularly slated game, Cub castoff Dave Lemonds and Cy Acosta outdueled “Catfish” Hunter allowing two hits in a 1-0 win. The Sox and A’s would split the final two games of this series. August 11, 1973 - Sox catcher Brian Downing got his first Major League hit, an inside the park home run off the Tigers Mickey Lolich at Detroit in the fourth inning. The last time Downing played a game against Detroit it was in Chicago, in his Major League debut back on May 31. He had just entered the game when he caught a foul pop up, diving in the process, and tearing up his knee which sidelined him until this game. August 11, 1991- In only his second Major League start, the Sox Wilson Alvarez tossed a no-hitter against the Orioles in Baltimore. Alvarez was handed a big lead early on and made the most of it, shutting down the Birds. Lance “One Dog” Johnson made a diving catch in right center field in the eighth inning, off the bat of Chris Hoiles, to save it as Alvarez had his greatest moment in winning 7-0. August 11, 1994 - The unthinkable finally happened as Major League players struck the rest of the season because of the unwillingness by owners to negotiate fairly on a new contract. (A charge later upheld by Federal court judge and future Supreme Court justice Sonia Sotomayor.) At the time of the strike, the Sox were leading the division, had the second-best record in the A.L. and the fourth best in all of baseball. They were on their way to back-to-back playoff appearances for the first time in franchise history. Many Sox fans blamed owner Jerry Reinsdorf for forcing the strike, being a hard-line owner and sabotaging his own teams’ chance to get to that elusive World Series. Frank Thomas ended the shortened season very close to the Triple Crown, hitting .353 with 38 home runs and 101 RBI’s. He did get his second consecutive M.V.P. award though. August 11, 2011 - Mark Buehrle tied the franchise record when he made his 18th consecutive start, allowing three runs or less. Buehrle tied the record in a 6-3 win at Baltimore. He went eight innings allowing three runs on six hits with six strikeouts. The record was originally set by Frank Smith in 1909.

It came from the owner.

I'd debate your use of the term simmer, it's a lot hotter than that.

I recently completed a chapter on Hawk's tenure for Dr. Fletcher. His next book on the team comes out next year. To answer your question: "Finally in late September, the 26th to be exact, with the Sox 20 games under .500 and twenty-two and a half games out of first place, Harrelson resigned because the backlash from the media was impacting his family in a negative way. In his book he closed his White Sox front office tenure this way, “I believe I did a good job. I made some good trades, getting rid of some dead wood. I will go to my grave with my head held high.” The White Sox ended the 1986 season 72-90 in fifth place in the division, 20 games out of first place. It was a 13-game decrease in the win column from 1985. On May 28, 2004 Melissa Issacson of the Chicago Tribune got a rare interview with Jerry Reinsdorf. One of the questions she asked was about Harrelson’s hiring to run the front office. "Eddie and I would talk to Hawk and (Don) Drysdale at length, and Hawk more so, to identify problems in the organization, we were still neophytes in this business and we were impressed with the way Hawk pointed out our problems. [GM] wasn't something he really wanted to do, but we urged him to help us out. The mistake was that when you go to a doctor who diagnoses open-heart surgery, you don't have him do the surgery because he diagnosed the problem, you get a heart surgeon. Just because Hawk was able to diagnose our problems did not mean he could solve them. It was a terrible position to put him in, and a year later, he said he wanted out."

August 10, 1959 - Sox infielders Nellie Fox and Luis Aparicio appeared together on the cover of Sports Illustrated. The caption read, “Magic Up The Middle, Fox and Aparicio.” August 10, 1990 - The odds had to be a million to one. They were two of the smallest players in Major League baseball yet on this night in the second game of a double header at Comiskey Park, the impossible happened. In the second inning, the Sox Craig Grebeck and Ozzie Guillen hit back-to-back home runs off hard throwing Nolan Ryan. It was part of a four-run inning in a 5-1 win and a sweep of the two games. Making matters even more incredible was that both Grebeck and Guillen pulled their shots. Craig reaching the left field seats and Ozzie right field! August 10, 1993 - With his career fading, the Sox dealt their all-time saves leader, Bobby Thigpen to the Phillies for pitcher Jose DeLeon. Thigpen saved a then Major League record, 57 games in 1990 but was never the same afterwards posting lower and lower save numbers in the years after the mark was set. August 10, 2009 - In an aggressive move the White Sox claimed two-time All-Star Alex Ríos off of waivers from the Blue Jays. Rios was hitting .264 at the time, with 14 home runs, 62 RBIs but was also due $58.6 million through 2015. Rios’ tenure with the White Sox was a mixed bag, playing poorly after being claimed in 2009, and in the ballyhooed 2011 “All-In” season but flashing the talent that got him claimed by G.M. Ken Williams in the first place in 2010 (3.3 WAR) and 2012 (4.8 WAR). Rios was off to a so-so start in 2013 before the White Sox dealt him to Texas for Leury García. The deal off-loaded more than $20 million the White Sox were on the hook for, but overall, doling Rios out $37.2 million to produce 7.0 WAR in his career on the South Side was a significant overpay.

The arrogance and egotism in the front office doesn't allow them to admit failure so they continue to stay the course and fall flat on their faces.

Better yet DFA him ?

COVID had nothing to do with them cancelling last winter, seven months ago.

A.J. on his podcast today brought up the fact that they cancelled it last year without any real reasons.

Have been listening to A.J.'s podcast the past few days. You can tell he's really shocked and pissed off at what is going on. Had both Rosenthal and Rogers on to talk about the situation and how it has turned to chaos.

Ed Herrmann told me the story at being at Sox Fantasy Camp in 2004. JR was there have a discussion with the campers. Let's just say those campers were so angry at him that things started to get heated and physical. Ed said Bill Melton had to get between them and cool things down.

"If there’s one thing we know about Reinsdorf, it’s not just that he sticks to his guns. It’s that he thinks he invented guns. His way, then, is always the right way." https://chicago.suntimes.com/2023/8/9/23826210/on-white-sox-jerry-reinsdorf-when-an-owner-doesnt-want-to-own-up-to-anything-rick-hahn-tim-anderson

September 26, 2011 – He was considered the face of the franchise for eight seasons but on this night after a 4-3 win over Toronto, manager Ozzie Guillen announced he was leaving after owner Jerry Reinsdorf agreed to let him out of the final year of his contract. Guillen, who was the 1985 A.L. Rookie of the Year with the White Sox, won the World Series in 2005 and also got the club into the playoffs in 2008. He had five winning seasons in the eight years as manager and was named Manager of the Year for his work in 2005. In that magical season of 2005, “Ozzie Ball” resulted in the Sox getting off to the best start in their history and with a perfect blend of pitching, speed, power and the ability to execute the fundamentals the Sox were in first place from wire to wire. Then they blitzed through the post season putting together an 11-1 record that was the third best post season record in baseball history. Guillen’s passion and enthusiasm for the franchise was unparalleled but at times he was his own worst enemy. Over his final years in Chicago, he became increasingly thin-skinned and defensive when criticism was directed his way and he lashed out at Sox fans on more than one occasion. Among his famous rants against the fans were one where he said that they could ‘‘Turn off their TVs and stop watching the game if they don’t like the [bleep]ing lineup’’ and another in May 2011 where he claimed Sox fans would not remember him, “As soon as you leave the ballpark, they don’t care about you. They don’t. The monuments, the statues…they pee on them when they get drunk.” On the afternoon of the day he left the team Guillen told reporters that he would not want to return to fulfill his 2012 contract unless he got an extension and more money. Ozzie’s relationship with G.M. Kenny Williams also deteriorated over the final few years because the two men appeared to have different viewpoints over how the roster should be constructed and the style to which the Sox should play. The Jim Thome/DH controversy was an example of the different ideas. Guillen’s family didn’t help the situation with social media comments derogatory to Williams. Many felt when Ozzie was hired in November 2003 that he was the right man for the right team at the right time and for a few years he was. Unfortunately, the manager with the longest tenure since Al Lopez let some personal foibles override a good situation and it was best for all that a parting of the ways took place.

Supposedly that's on the table when MLB expands but it is not likely to go away.

August 9, 1977 - In a game at Comiskey Park, the Sox crushed Seattle 13-3. In the game the “South Side Hit Men” clouted six home runs, three in the third inning alone. Third baseman Eric Soderholm had two. August 9, 2000 - The Sox had one of their highest scoring games in history as they buried the Mariners 19-3 at Comiskey Park. Pitcher Mike Sirotka was the recipient of the onslaught and got the easy win. Frank Thomas went 3 for 4 on the night with two home runs and five RBI’s. August 9, 2021 – One night after Sox outfielder/DH Eloy Jimenez homered twice and drove in five runs at Wrigley Field, he did it again at Target Field in Minnesota as part of the Sox 11-1 win. He became the first player in franchise history to have two home runs and five RBI’s in consecutive games. The pair of long balls also brought Jimenez to 50 in his career in just 187 games, which was the fastest in team history. August 9, 2022 – The White Sox injury situation which had gutted the organization at all levels since around 2016 turned from the sublime to the ridiculous as between games of a double header in Kansas City, the Sox announced that All-Star shortstop Tim Anderson would miss six weeks, in the middle of a divisional race, after he suffered a sagittal band tear on the middle finger of his left (non-throwing) hand and would need surgery. He suffered the injury on a checked swing in Texas a few days before, in his last at-bat, in an 8-0 blowout loss. Anderson, one of the most talented players in the game, like many of the White Sox players, just hadn’t been able to escape injuries, going on the injured list every season he’s been with the team often times more than once in a season.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/five-reasons-the-al-central-has-become-mlbs-weakest-division-from-player-development-to-payrolls/

He does want to win but as I've pointed out before he wants to win HIS WAY. Big difference and the results show it.

A combination of a terrible offense that doesn't score a lot and a pitching staff that gives up big innings.

You're assuming Hahn is telling the truth about it being a position player. He very well may be; but Middleton's comment specifically said 'pitcher in the bullpen' and since he's usually there all the time (since he isn't a starter) he should know. The two comments simply don't add up, somebody is lying.

A pretty good recap quoting the different people involved in the chaos: https://www.southsidesox.com/2023/8/8/23824191/time-anderson-suspended-six-games-amid-day-of-chaos-white-sox-organization-keynan-middleton-rogers

Speaking of Ozzie. Some interesting and direct quotes: https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/white-sox/ct-chicago-white-sox-ozzie-guillen-pedro-grifol-20230808-7mt3ixfsrbhdzgo4lgr65lerj4-story.html