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Some of what you say has merit to it but you also have to realize some (most) of Tim's "issues" are self inflicted. It wasn't JR's fault he flipped off the fans in Cleveland, it wasn't Brooks' fault he's gotten into umpire confrontations and been suspended and it wasn't Hahn's fault for his shall we say, "off the field" escapades. By no means defending this incompetent, dysfunctional and inept organization but individuals have to take responsibilities for their actions as well. I sincerely think he's in a funk because he saw all those other shortstops he feels he's better then get nine figure deals while the Sox haven't even opened contract extensions talks (at least that we know of)

Maybe based on his numbers he needs to "try harder".

Well in this case the writer in question was providing good information on the team and doing the fan base an excellent service. You think Merkin is going to do what Fegan did? ?

Personally I'd prefer he play well for the Sox and screw the ad campaigns. Ad campaigns do nothing to change the won-loss record. He can do all the ads he wants in Los Angeles or Atlanta because he's not going to get that extension with the Sox.

What you don't call flipping off fans, getting into confrontations with umpires, making silly bone-headed mistakes and off the field embarrassing antics exciting????? MLB used him in their ad campaign because they were trying to target a specific demographic generation with specific attitudes to like baseball. I'd argue his actual playing ability wasn't the major part of that logic.

If you never play him you never know do you? They had nothing to lose, if Garcia was the option that's lose-lose all around. I'm not saying he's any good (he isn't) but they needed to give him enough rope to see what he could or could not do. We saw what Garcia could do for years and he wasn't going to be a part of the future, long shot but Gonzales could have been. But if you don't play him you'll never know. Now they do, Hahn knows again he needs a competent second baseman. After the horrific start this team wasn't going anywhere anyway so it's not like they jeopardized anything by playing him.

The Sox knew what they'd get from Garcia, he had no future. They had to find out if Gonzales could do anything for them moving forward.

June 14, 1953 - Sox pitchers Billy Pierce and Sandy Consuegra both fired complete game shutouts in beating the Boston Red Sox in a double header at Comiskey Park. The Sox won 6-0 and 1-0. That same day the Sox acquired pitcher Virgil “Fire” Trucks in a five-player deal with the Browns. Trucks would throw a pair of one-hitters and win 20 games one year, during his time on the South Side.

Looks like Eloy is expected to be back Wednesday...until he gets hurt again. Maybe he can help this sickening offense. DVS of the Sun-Times has a story tonight on him with this staggering stat: "Jimenez’s latest injury is his 16th known one since April 2019. That was his first season with the Sox, who acquired him with right-hander Dylan Cease from the Cubs for left-hander Jose Quintana two years earlier. With a record like that, it’s difficult for the Sox to project his value, knowing he hasn’t been able to stay on the field. Signed to a six-year, $43 million deal in March 2019, Jimenez’s contract and health history affect his trade value, as well."

MLB is a 10 BILLION dollar a year business and they are pulling this s%*# under Manfred. LOL.

Still can't believe NOBODY caught that screw up with the signature. Talk about amaturish.

As long as fans are paying the freight for these million dollar players they have the right to express themselves as long as it is not racist, sexist or vulgar. Those are big boys out there, professional athletes not kids in high school. If they can't handle it they have two options, play better so the fans aren't booing or find another profession. Their performance (or lack of same) is a big reason this so called "championship window" has been flushed right down the toilet.

In this case I can't blame them because this team is going no where, may as well get anything that you can. Of course the downside is the same idiots that flushed the rebuild right down the toilet are the ones going to make deals and more than likely try again next year (with an even worse team short of an ownership change)

They are brothers.

He may turn it around but if he does I'm guessing it will be with another team.

Hope he has a great three games and the Dodgers will be willing to offer more for him.

An excerpt from my history of SportsVision which will be included in Dr. Fletcher's next book on the franchise which comes out next year, focusing on the 1990 team and the new stadium. "Einhorn was appalled when he got a look at the White Sox TV deal. In 1980, then Sox owner Bill Veeck signed a deal with Charles Dolan of Cablevision, an East Coast company that was getting into the cable TV market. The two-year deal gave the Sox $6,000 per game, WGN-TV also got the rights to show 60 Sox road games a season. The total worth of the deal to the Sox was only $840,000 a year. Dolan was a very sharp operator who took Veeck to the cleaners. Veeck, like most old-time owners, felt that television was nice to have, but the real way to make money in baseball was at the gate. Einhorn overturned the deal and came up with the idea for SportsVision which became a reality in May 1982. The idea was to get Chicago sports fans to sign up for the service which would provide a steady diet of White Sox games, primarily home games, along with the Chicago Bulls, Chicago Blackhawks and Chicago Sting. The channel would be provided by local and area cable services as a premium service. At the time of launching, it cost most fans $50 just to get it installed as it required a special descrambler, not counting the monthly fee which varied from system to system. The idea proved to be a failure as the original target of 50,000 subscribers was never met. Even during the playoff season of 1983 the subscriber base was far short of the original goal. The Sox claimed to have 30,000 subscribers but Bob Logan in his book, "Miracle On 35th Street: Winnin’ Ugly with the 1983 Chicago White Sox" wrote the actual total was closer to 20,000. Einhorn then wanted to change the service to a true pay-per-view option and charge three dollars per game to watch, but that never became a reality. Eventually SportsVision was sold off to Dolan and Cablevision and changed into SportsChannel-Chicago, part of a group of regional sports channels which then was absorbed by Rupert Murdoch and his Fox Broadcasting Company and changed into Fox Sports Chicago, which was part of the nationwide blanket of Fox regional sports affiliates. Eventually that regional network became Comcast Sports Chicago and now today having been bought by the NBC Company, NBC Sports Chicago."

He certainly isn't THE problem but in my opinion he is PART of the problem.

Nightengale is the national version of Bruce Levine. (And that's not a compliment). I do hope he's right though and JR comes to his senses and fires the front office (but I'm not holding my breath)

Also I don't think he broke his hand, as I recall it was a ring finger tendon injury. He tore it and had surgery. You may be thinking of Benintendi who broke his hand.

Like I posted, with him it seems to always be someone else's fault. It's the media...it's the fan base. Tim needs to look in the mirror. If you are going to talk, "We're the best team in the league...", "I'm the best player on the field..." then it behooves you to back it up or you look like an idiot.

No problem. As Kenny has said, "It is what it is..."

Another thing to keep in mind with Anderson...he's not a kid anymore. He's 30 or about to be 30. With his injury history I can't see any club giving him a nine figure deal.

Which is another one of his many issues... he can not stay healthy. For what its worth, the fan did a detailed study over multiple years not just the past one. The arrow is pointing down, but judge for yourself.

There's only one person to blame for his troubles and it's not the media or the fan base. It's the so-called "face of the franchise" who has played like crap for a full calendar year: 6-9-22 through 6-9-23: 85 games played, 1 home run, 16 RBI's, hit into 12 double plays, .256 batting average, .293 on-base percentage, .301 slugging percentage, .594 OPS. Saw these numbers posted by a Sox fan and they stunned me that he was this bad. With numbers like that I don't see how he can have any defenders.