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Oh, James thinks something this front office did is great? I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you...

From 2015: https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/mlb/diamondbacks/2015/09/16/diamondbacks-tony-la-russa-phil-nevin-could-hot-managerial-candidate/72343042/ Also...

La Russa always gets his guy

So was Ian Cunningham. How insane is it that the two football brains running this thing are two former OL's, and they missed the mark SO badly on that specific position?

Discussion was had here a few weeks ago...but if they don't spend the entire offseason investing in the trenches, 2025 will look exactly like 2024. Football has evolved over the years, but at the core, the thing that has stayed the same is needing to be strong in three positions to win....QB, OL and DL. Can't go far without a QB, that's obvious, and I think the Bears have it. Having a good QB doesn't mean much (see 2024 Bears) if he's got 1.5 seconds to throw on a lot of plays. Run game doesn't work either. Things just don't work without it. And I don't care how much you invest, or how talented your CB's, S, LB core is...if you can't generate a sustained pass rush, any secondary is going to get cooked if the QB has 4 seconds to throw the ball. Don't think it's possible to totally fill both sides of the ball in one offseason, but it's all I would be focused on. Only way they'll win.

If anything, my guess is they believe they can get a prospect closer to the majors than a 17 year old, that is the logic. They must see something in him, think they can get more out of him than others. That obviously remains to be seen and the Sox, at this point, should not be trusted or given the benefit of the doubt in really any situation…but there is logic to the deal. This guy has 15-20 solid innings, gets flipped for a AA player in July.

And he shouldn't have to. He literally played in the "Steroid Era" That name wasn't given to that timeframe because a handful of guys were juicing. Additionally, Mark McGwire became an MLB coach, ARod and David Ortiz are on national MLB broadcasts, etc. Lastly, this insistence for Sosa to have to "apologize" in order to be welcomed back to an organization that is owned by someone who wasn't involved when Sosa committed his malfeasances seems petty. Everyone is aware that Sosa, and others, are flawed. It was a different era that shouldn't be ignored. He doesn't have to have a statue or parade, but completely ostracizing a fan favorite who was a huge part of objectively saving baseball after the strike has always been stupid.

Obviously, I totally agree. It seems incredibly simple, yet they'll find a way to botch it. The only question you really need to ask yourself if your Kevin Warren or George, is this: "If we bring Ryan back, and 2025 looks like 2024, are we firing Ryan?" If the answer even remotely resembles "yes" then you can't let him make the hire for the next HC of the team. If 2025 is his make or break season for you, why are you giving him that much decision making that will significantly impact your future, including when he's already left the building. On top of the fact you've done this now basically the last decade with HC/GM/QB all being on different timelines. It's so black and white, but they'll once again find a way to get stuck in the mud.

The Bears really are going to do the most predictable thing ever. They'll keep Poles, hire a new HC. Season won't go the way they want in 2025, Poles will basically have to be fired. Now a new GM is coming in with a coach he didn't hire. And the cycle continues, and continues, and continues. And George will sit in the owners box and wonder why things aren't working.

Ohhh, so this is the way they are finally going to find a RF....

This is the perfect example of glass half full of glass half empty approach. Glass half full: Sox are investing into modern technology, which should help the product on the field. Glass half empty: As of June 2024, 19 MLB teams had Trajekt. Like always, the Sox are behind the times, playing catch up with the rest of the league as forward thinking teams are two steps ahead. In my opinion, both are true.

This is the worst move Getz has made, he's awful, everything is terrible.

For as much as you cry about everyone else here, you continue to engage with those people. So either stop engaging, or quit crying about the same thing you claim everyone else is.

I'm trying to spot any inaccuracies with the people you quoted, and can't seem to find any. When have the Sox spoken to a top tier free agent and converted? Albert Belle? They lost the most games in MLB history last season, the opinion on Jerry is subjective (I guess) and given the amount of dollars needed for Sasaki, and again being the worst team in MLB history last year, I don't see the lie in "aren't a desirable location" Really not a lot of analysis needed. The Sox are 102-222 in the last two years, and the o/u for wins in 2025 has to be like 55? I could go on...but here is the other point. If the Sox were to sign Sasaki, everyone here would be ecstatic and for good reason. They are adding high end talent and investing serious resources in the product on the field. I, along with most others, would happily eat crow. Would love to. But based on what historical data tells me, I'm not saving room in my stomach for a crow burger in the near future.

Stop it. I would like to think you're smarter than that. "There's not much point in being a fan if we think everything they do is bound to fail." How do you think fans got there? This organization started rebuilding in 2016, after having below .500 seasons in 2015, 2014, and 2013 when they were "trying to win" and the results of that rebuild netted the Sox 2 playoff victories. They now are on their next rebuild, coming off the worst season in MLB history. But White Sox fans saying "We'll believe it when we see it" are the weird ones? Are you out of your fucking mind?

I mean, everyone could have seen this coming. This is not an NFL line, 72 should not be starting under any circumstance. But here we are.

Once again, another case of everyone else is wrong, you’re the right one, even when multiple posters have attempted to show you your math doesn’t math. But keep doing your thing, sure it will work out for you.

But here is the argument you haven't answered. You made the statement: "The White Sox minor league system was woefully behind the rest of baseball in all new development tools and methods." According to his bio, when he was named President of Baseball Operations for the White Sox, this is how it read: So even assuming he realized he needed those things and they were not available, given that he spent seven years in the White Sox front office before being promoted to President of Baseball Operations...What was he being judged on? According to you, his job was was "basically entry level" (which is another ringing endorsement for being given the President of Baseball Ops job) so what earned him the large promotion? You can't seem to cite any large success stories that you believe Getz was responsible for (again, his job, according to you was "basically entry level" in what he was doing...so why should fans believe he is the right guy to oversee the major league team?

This is where your argument breaks down. The point, many, are trying to make is that quality teams have a pipeline of talent that usually helps support, or in some cases, carry a roster. It's not just about first round talent, and it starts from an organizational philosophy. The Twins were brought up, and for some reason you only brought up Byron Buxton. Some of the players you didn't mention were guys like Max Kepler, Jhoan Duran, Jorge Polanco, Miguel Sano, Luis Arraez, Jose Berrios...quality MLB players that were developed by the Twins. Let's stay in the division with Cleveland. Steven Kwan, Shane Bieber, Aaron Civale, Tanner Bibee, Cade Smith...etc...a pipeline of players grown in the organization that are contributors to the ML team. We can keep doing this with the Braves, Brewers, etc....Now try doing it with the White Sox. No one is saying Chris Getz is solely to blame. But he also shares some of the blame, and yet he received a fairly large promotion for his efforts.

Given where the offensive line is, I don't think it's crazy to play Bagent tonight. From a simple risk vs. reward standpoint, both short term and long term, I'd sit Caleb tonight.

I think tonight is the game Poles gets fired (in the offseason) It’s on national TV, division opponent, offensive line has like two starters on it, and the Vikings are going to take advantage, it’s gonna get ugly.

This is correct. I’m sorry, but I can’t muster much emotion around any of this. Yes, the Sox seemed to acquire some young players that have the potential to be solid MLB regulars. Why should any of us believe they will be developed? It would be simply a faith-based argument, which is fine I guess, but it’s history has continually showed us this organization has failed consistently on player development. We’re all hoping for the best, but at this point in time, my expectations are still incredibly low, until shown otherwise

From the reports I've seen, Getz is asking for a 2023 return on Robert, not his results from 2024. If someone wants to pay 2023 prices, fine...but if they are only offering up packages that line up with his production from 2024...no reason to trade him right now.

Sort of ironic it's the Red Sox again, as Crochet and Sale have a lot of similarities. We should all be rooting for Crochet, hope he thrives.

I mean, a trade around Mayer seems to make the most sense, right?