Tony

Even if you wanted to give Getz the benefit of the doubt at this point (and I do think there are some elements of truth to the idea it’s too early to fully judge him) I keep going back to a very simple premise… In what world should ANYONE trust the judgment and decision making of Jerry Reinsdorf? There is MORE than enough history to tell us a majority of his hiring decisions and motivations do not support any semblance of winning results on the field (or court) Because we’re been subjected to so much, Getz is simply guilty by association. Being hand selected by Jerry is a GIANT red flag that it’s the wrong guy. That’s how I know Getz isn’t the man for this job. Because Jerry picked him.

And he would have still ended the game going 7.1 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, 1 BB and 11 K's. Crochet will be in contention for AL Cy Young this season, and the White Sox have the fewest wins in the American League. So I ask...

Jerry Reinsdorf bought the White Sox in 1981. The first time they ever made the playoffs in consecutive years was 2020-2021. During his ownership run, they are 3419-3495, wonderfully below average. Since 2023, they are 106-233. In the last decade, they are 670-862. In the last 20 years, they are 1487-1666. ....... So to answer that question, my response would be dramatic improvements. You really don't need to put much effort in to get those dramatic improvements. Jerry has done a fantastic job at setting the bar incredibly low.

To beat the deadest of dead horses....nothing changes until Jerry goes. It's Groundhog Day until then.

This is a good thing, and we'll see if it lasts into the dog days of August. But it's a smart, sound approach, and one we should all hope continues. Everyone, including Getz, knows they are only going to get so far with the talent currently on the roster (which is not very far at all) but if the same approach is used when there is more talent, hopefully we see the results in the W-L column. The hard part is finding the talent. We'll see if Getz is up to the task.

Over the 15 years or so, how many players have come here and gotten worse? Certainly that number is higher than the players that have come here and gotten better. Some of that of course has to do with age, but we've seen it far too often with the White Sox. Some random guys that come to mind: -Adam Dunn -Jeff Samardzija -Adam LaRoche -Todd Frazier -James Shields -Derek Holland -Ceasar Hernandez -AJ Pollock I could go on, but that took me about 3 minutes to think about. And it absolutely has to do with how these guys are prepared, coached, what they are doing that other teams aren't. And sure, there have been success stories too. But certainly not as many.

I find the White Sox record of 105-232 in their last 337 games much more disrespectful, but to each their own.

Thoughts, gents?

Like this quote a lot, wish more hitters had it

I just can't wrap my head around the physiology of a White Sox fan "upset" by these comments. He was literally asked to talk about each place he pitched, and to speak on the differences between what he experienced with each organization. He gave his honest opinion. Isn't that what we ask of players? Would White Sox fans preferred he flat out lie and say "The White Sox were wonderful, just a way better organization than the Dodgers, Yankees and Cardinals in my experience." Are you are saying you want to be lied to to feel better about the team that you root for? You just can't handle or wrap you head around the idea that the Chicago White Sox don't offer players the best tools and resources, or they don't have the same standards as the Dodgers or Yankees? Even after watching this team go 104-232 in their last 336 games? I don't get it.

I went and watched the interview with Lynn, instead of just consuming the short video pull they put on Twitter. The question from the host was, word for word: "Can you give us a glimpse of the difference in organizations, I'll let you just pick from any of them you played for, just give us like one difference on how places run, difference between Cardinals, White Sox, Dodgers, Yankees, like if you can point out "This is the biggest thing I would tell a player, you're gonna see this here, and they don't do that here" Lynn's response: When your with the Dodgers and Yankees at that point, everything that you would need as a player, on and off the field, they had it all covered. But their ability to teach what they wanted to teach you, be it sabermetrics, or whatever, they taught you how to be you, and that's why you see those guys showing up with the ability to play....obviously Chicago is behind everybody (and everyone heard the rest) You can watch it right here, at the 33 min mark:

1. Lance Lynn can do whatever he wants, and it kinda seems like he just did. 2. You make the claim he didn't care about winning at all. In 2021, the White Sox went 93-69, their best season since 2005 (removing the COVID shortened 2020 season from a winning percentage standpoint). The team leader in WAR, for a 93-69 squad, was 5.4. Who posted that WAR you ask?

The replies here are insane to me. Given all the evidence that has been presented to us over the last decade plus, and quite frankly what we’ve had to endure as fans, I have ZERO issues with a former player speaking out his experience, good or bad. And his comments track with multiple other comments that have been made by other players over the last few years. This organization has not shown any interest in keeping up with where the sport and their competition, and IMO Lynn and others have zero obligation to “cover” for this organization. He was asked a question and answered it. Good for him.

wait is this a real thing

Probably Jerry firing Getz, and people simply supporting the next guy, blindly, because if he's good enough to be the GM of the White Sox, he's good enough for them.

I'll do my guy a favor and save @WestEddy some time for writing his own reply, and do it for him, because I'm a mensch. "I'M NOT STICKING UP FOR THEM? WHERE DID I SAY I WAS STICKING UP FOR THEM? WAS IT WHEN RICK HAHN ACQUIRED AN OVER THE HILL KEVIN YOUKILIS? WAS IT WHEN ELOY JIMENEZ DIED IN LEFT FIELD? STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH, I'VE BEEN INCREDIBLY CLEAR ON THIS, EVEN THOUGH I DEFLECT CONSTANTLY AND HAVE NEVER ANSWERED A QUESTION WITH A DIRECT ANSWER IN MY LIFE. WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT MY POSITION?"

Eh, I'm not even sure I agree with that fully. The packages he got back were light in many cases, the only deal he can really hang his hat on up to this point is Crochet, and let's be honest, it's not like he was a hard commodity to trade. But he seemingly did about as well as expected. But at the end of the day, there are two major "knocks" working against him that are obvious to everyone. 1. In his first year as GM he set the all-time record for losses. Not a great start to your GM career, don't care who it is. It's a bad look, but it's something he can bounce back from. 2. The bigger issue (IMO) is the overall perception issue, the "hire from within" approach Jerry decided to employe and the entire "Don't want to waste a year" fiasco. He's in a job that is very public facing and a large majority of the fan base thinks he isn't qualified for the job he's in. So he's already working from behind when it comes to public perception. Every move is going to have somewhat more doubt attached to it because of that, and a 43-129 record as GM isn't helping matters.

Where have you found, specifically in this thread, I said he should be judged on Day 1? You're making the assumption that's what I think, but I've given you no evidence to think that. You're projecting that, and instead of answering the question with a simple answer, you're assuming I think Getz should be judged on Day 1, when I was simply asking YOU when is an appropriate time to say "This is the team Getz assembled." It was a fairly simple and direct question, yet you IMMEDIATELY got defensive.

See, this is when you start taking your cuckoo pills. Literally no one but you would think I was implying anything of the sort. I used the phrase "I'm actually asking" because I was curious, based on your previous posts, when you felt like Getz could be properly judged on the team that is on the field. It was an actual question. Additionally, we have gone back and forth enough for you to have a baseline understanding that me thinking Getz "inherited a very strong roster with an unlimited budget, but he made everybody get hurt or play bad" couldn't be farther from the truth, but that didn't stop you from somehow think that's what I was implying. Then, later in this response, you say "I'll happily talk about Get'z bad moves" and then proceed to not only bring up a bunch of moves made by others, but also list reasons why Getz shouldn't be fully blamed for things (injuries, a system with no pitching) and you still wonder why people question where you stand, then get on a soap box and say "I'VE MADE MYSELF INCREDIBLY CLEAR!" I've been asking for clarification from you in this thread because of the reply quoted above. Your "position" is clear as mud, and you're the only person seemingly that doesn't see that.

In all seriousness, I'm curious to the response, because to me, the vision seems to be "Rip it all down, advance in technology and infrastructure, build through the draft." That's all good. Only issue is when it comes to the statement of "He seems to be selling industry people on his vision..." That "vision" is nothing unique, it's what every good organization has been doing for the last 10 years. Taking a completely glass-half full vision of the tenure of Chris Getz as GM...he's made strides to get the organization out of it's 2004 baseball mindset. Fine, but that isn't getting him hired by other organizations. Put another way, your kids don't get extra credit for not doing drugs. It's what they're supposed to be doing, it's the baseline.

How would you sum up what you believe his vision is?

I'll be honest, I don't follow. You seem to be saying he should be judged on it now, but then it's just excuses for Getz on why he is in the situation he is in. You say you acknowledge that he made some bad moves in 2024, but in the same breath you add in "But he inherited a bad roster, budget cuts!" Jerry didn't completely change his stripes when Getz got here. Rick and Kenny still had to deal with money not being allocated to where they ideally wanted it to go. But just like Getz, Jerry wasn't holding a gun to any White Sox Executive to stay in their job. Getz knew what he was signing up for. All I'm asking for is at what point in time do we simply not bring up Rick and Kenny anymore, and this is simply a Getz led team, this is his record and he is responsible for it. Again, I'm actually asking.

A question that was asked earlier is still relevant and hasn't been answered by you. In your eyes, when is it fair to say "This is the team Chris Getz assembled?" I'm actually asking...

I mean, this is kind of a bad way to frame it. This is a layered topic, they could have gone a few different ways with Crochet. I was in the camp that they should have locked him up given his age, but that was never going to happen with Jerry. If I put myself in the shoes of Getz, knowing the team needed to reset and the limited assets in the org, Crochet didn’t serve much purpose on this team in 2025 and 2026. The package seemed fair but obviously it will take years to determine if they got quality out of it. But in a perfect world, given where this team is at, if they can get 2 quality starting caliber MLB players out of Crochet, it made some sense.