Tony

I understand the distinction, wasn't clearing it up moreso citing they have made some decisions that didn't make a lot of sense and were clearly financially based.

But it is valid. Dude put up a 5.1 WAR for them in 2021, and were so fearful of him accepting the 18.4 qualifying offer, didn't even extend one. He went on to make 31 starts for the Giants the next year, and put up a 5.2 WAR in 2022. Meanwhile the Sox had to release Dallas Keuchle in 2022 after he posted a 7.88 ERA in 8 starts. He was making 18 million that season. Just awesome asset management from the Sox.

But if wins and losses don’t matter during a rebuild, what does “stabilizing” RF with a 34 year old lottery ticket that may or may not be in their plans for next year, and certainly not play a role for the organization when they post their next above .500 record…actually do for the team? Because again, you were the one who brought up yesterday that bringing back Robert in 2026 takes away playing time from younger players looking for an opportunity. How can the same not be said about a 35 year old Mike Tauchman? Bigger picture, generally in sports, wins and losses is how things are measured. The rules can change slightly when we’re talking about a team actively ripping down their roster, with the intention of having more sustained success down the line. So if wins and losses aren’t of concern for the White Sox at this point in time…if the Sox don’t obtain a future asset for Mike Tauchman, say he does play for the Sox next year, becomes a true FA because of service time, and they elect not to bring back a 36 year old outfielder…what did it do to help the organizations goals? I’m failing to grasp what “stabilizing” RF with a stop gap OF does to help the long term growth of the team, and again, simply going off of what you have posted about in the last few days.

I'm a little confused by your overall logic here. You have stated multiple times, in multiple threads, you don't care at all about what the Sox record is during a rebuild. Ok, I can run with that logic (to a degree) Yesterday, in the Robert thread, in regards to his overall value and what he means to the Sox, you said this: In this thread, you're claiming Mike Tauchman was a "home run signing by Getz" The Sox signed Tauchman to a one year deal in 2025, although he is still arb eligible for next year, during his age 35 season. As we know, he was not moved at the deadline. The Sox have been very bad in 2025, and 2026 will most likely have similar results as it relates to the W-L column. Or at the very least, 2026 will still be considered a "rebuilding year." So if the Sox elect to bring Mike Tauchman back in 2026, at 35 years old, he would be "smooshing a couple of deserving young players" by getting playing time, and if they elected to keep him but make him a bench player, his value would be minimal at best on the trade market. He put up a solid 2025 campaign, nothing exceptional (and he was better for the Cubs in 2023) but a fine season. But given everything above, I'm not sure how we're classifying it as a "home run" signing.

Oh, I could blame them. Anyone surprised by him missing another large chunk of the season? The answer is of course not, so this was true in July as well. You knew this about Robert. It shouldn't change much in their mind. I agree with your previous sentiment about there absolutely being a chance they decline the option, because it's Jerry. And it's his money, not ours. But again, because there isn't any sort of CF knocking down the Sox door, there really is no "risk" in bringing him back at this point, given it's simply money.

Robert has shockingly similar numbers in 2025 to 2024 2024: 425 PA's, .224/.278/.379, 1.4 WAR 2025: 431 PA's, .223/.297/.364 1.5 WAR You know what you're getting at this point...a 28 year old below average hitter who plays a very good CF and will maybe play 2/3 of a season. That's not worth 20 million or a valuable piece of your farm system, it just isn't.

This goes back to a topic we were discussing a few weeks ago, the relationship a GM has with the owner, having conviction, etc. @T R U is not wrong that there is absolutely a scenario where Jerry says "So you're telling me we're not going to be a .500 team with Robert, or without him...so what the hell am I paying him $20 million for when I can cut my loses for 2 million?" That's when Getz has to lead with purpose and explain the lack of a true CF in the organization, trade options, etc.

I'm prefacing this post by saying I know it will never happen because it's impossible to do with a sports fan base, but with that out the way... These discussions about Getz/overall performance will never end, not at least things get turned around and there is actual winning happening on a regular basis. But I feel like a lot of these discussion revolve around timeframes. Those that are "defending" Getz or in the more positive camp, cite the improvement from last year, growth from younger players, etc. Which is all true. But my question is how do we somewhat align on expectations? We know Getz inherited a bad situation, don't think many argued a full demo job wasn't needed. And that takes time. But how much time? What is an appropriate enough time to actually see a winning record from the Sox? We'll be heading into the 2026 season and the Sox haven't had a winning season since 2021. We know when Getz took over (Late August of 2023) so 2024 and 2025 have been full "Getz years" The 2026 season will be his third full year on the job. At what point in the process do we expect the Sox to be actually competitive?

You did this entire bit like a month ago. I responded, as did others, but you never did. You asked for a comparison, it was given...then you checked out.

Simply depends on the market. If someone wants to overpay, then trade him. But they don't have anyone in this organization knocking down the door to take over CF. It's just money, they have plenty of it...does very little harm for him to stay around

Wait, when are they getting this for Robert????

All correct. We've seen it done in other walks as life as well recently. The bar gets lowered so dramatically, so quickly, a lot of people don't know how to process it. "Hey dad, you know how I always wreck the cars you buy me? Well I got into another accident, but this time I didn't total it!" I'm not celebrating that as a victory, I want you to stop getting into accidents.

I mean, there is literally an internet meme created about you.

He literally says "We changed some things" when asked the question about approaches between the Sox and Dodgers, lol.

If you're going to base your argument on the words from Kopech, these also seem important: - As a Dodger, shortly after being traded from the White Sox: - An interview with PitcherList after the trade: I don't really have a horse in this race, but to say going from the 2024 White Sox to the 2024 Dodgers had no impact on Kopech, that he simply brought over exactly what he was doing with the White Sox to the Dodgers is silly.

Yeah, he's been hurt

Oh I think that’s the local perception as well 😂

Say you’re running your own business. You hire someone and invest heavy resources into the new hire, and they’ve been recommended to you by others in your company. They are a total disappointment. There is no development, they aren’t getting better, failing at their job. You eventually fire that person, they go to work for a competitor, and later learn they’re having tremendous success at this competitor. Two things stand out to me: 1. You’ve most likely made your organization better because at the end of the day said employee was not producing for you, and you can replace that person with someone who is much more productive 2. I would question my own organization that this person couldn’t find success with my company, but came highly recommended and is finding success with my competitor. Why couldn’t we get the same kind of production? Both things can be true, but simply throwing roses at the Sox because Andrew Vaughn sucked for them is naive

There is something going on with Tucker. He's got a .257 SLG in the second half of this season. He's hit 1 HR since July 1st. I think he's hurt, but with the amount of time he missed last year, he didn't want to miss more time this year so has played through so he doesn't get the "injury proned" tagged slapped on him before FA, but his lack of production since July has also probably hurt his value in the market. Probably not a ton, but he simply hasn't been very good since about July 1. Still time to turn it around, but they're running out of games.

Given I quoted his LH splits, probably a safe assumption I’m familiar with his overall numbers. He has put together a great first half of 2025. He earned that. In the second half, he’s slashing .205/.239/.398. He’s a rookie, I expect to see continued growth and any team would be fortunate to have him, as he plays a great CF. But I’m not ready to call him a Top 10 player in the league after a half season.

He's also just been atrocious against LHP this year. Rocking a .190/.219/.408 slash line in 157 PA's. Doesn't mean he won't get better, but that's not something that screams "7th best player in baseball"

That's a good pull. You are correct, he's had a stretch like this before in his career, and the numbers are very similar to those in Milwuakee. He's gotta come back to earth, but my guess is the Brewers won't be very happy if has a repeat performance of July 2024 (.188/.239/.353)

This is a case where I truly think there are two sides and both aren't wrong. He spent very little time in the minor leagues, and when he did arrive, the Sox put him at 1B, LF, RF, 2B and 3B (seriously, he played all those positions in 2021 alone.) On top of it, the environment was clearly toxic, the coaching staff with fairly inept (especially under Grifol) and Vaughn obviously wasn't the only player in that core that didn't reach his potential. I said for years (and have the receipts) that if Vaughn was drafted by the Brewers, Rays,..etc, he would have most likely developed into a much different player. On the other hand, I've always believed in personal responsibility and Vaughn clearly checked out. Even with the numbers I cited earlier in this thread about what he is doing in Milwaukee, his K rate dropping and walk percentage increasing...he's approaching AB's differently, being more disciplined, thinking after every pitch about what's coming next. That is much harder to do day in and day out than saying "I'm waiting for a fastball low, if I don't get it this AB, oh well, better luck next time." and my guess is there were a lot of that thought process from Vaughn during his time with the Sox. Again, that's on Vaughn himself more than anyone, and he deserves that blame. I guess the moral of the story is...it's very easy to be jealous of what the Brewers are doing up there, because it's a whole lot of right.

This is sounds nice, but you just wrote a lot of words to really say "I'm going to form an opinion on something I don't really know anything about." In 110 PA's, he's dropped his K% from 22.3% with the Sox in 2025 to 14.5% with the Brewers. His BB% is 10.0 with the Brewers, was 3.6 with the Sox. He's being more selective at the plate. His launch angle is also significantly lower with the Brewers than it was with the Sox, with indicates a change in approach. No one, including myself, believe Andrew Vaughn is now a 1.000 OPS guy for the rest of his career. He'll cool off. But it's become clear the Brewers are getting the most out of Vaughn, unlocked something in him, and he's helped them tremendously achieve the best record in baseball at this point. And I would expect him to be a key contributor moving forward for the Brewers, something he wasn't with the Sox. I'm not upset the Sox moved on, it clearly wasn't working here. Vaughn ended his Sox career with a -0.5 career WAR over 2400 PA's. It didn't work. But it's frustrating to see another organization, an organization that is light years better than the Sox, find real success with him.

We’re getting to the point where this isn’t just a streak with Vaughn