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I also never said anything about Musgrove being a “star.”

I am not misrepresenting the argument. There’s been a lot of different points being made and argued within your exact interpretation/description of “the argument.” The Giolito and Katz point is irrelevant to me saying López could realistically end up being the worst pitcher in baseball next year. I also don’t think we can sit here and expect a Hail Mary from Katz on López or any of our young pitchers for that matter. I’m hopeful but it doesn’t change how bad of a pitcher López is right now and very well could be next year as well. I’m confused why López should even be a talking point in defense of acquiring Musgrove. López is a non-factor at this point in a quest to start wining championships immediately. You can keep cherry picking good starts and bad Musgrove starts, but his peripherals are consistently superior to López. And the way we look at pitchers is way off if now you’re also comparing Stiever to Dunning in terms of a pitcher, prospect, talent, trade asset. That’s just not accurate right now, I’m sorry.

I do not get how people think having Musgrove in the rotation is the same or even worse than López. I also don’t think WAR should be used as a basis for who is a better pitcher, or even who has better statistics. I find it far more useful and accurate for generally quantifying a position player. There’s really not much you need to look at to see how much better Musgrove is currently, but also how much better of a position he is in to progress next season. López could easily be the worst pitcher in the league next year. Also, everyone is overvaluing Stiever. He will not be headlining any package for a player like Musgrove with more than one year of control. If Stiever is at the front of the trade, he will be paired with multiple equally “good” prospects.

Thanks, people who respond, and for the information. I’d use Google, but this seems like such a subjective thing for me to get a gauge on without following for a while.

Thank you.

Is Cespedes generally being looked at as a better signing than Colas around the industry?

Is Cespedes generally being looked at as a better signing than Colas around the industry?

If it ain’t broke, right?

Do you believe you can change? There’s clearly no reason for you to ever change, but if it was for the best?

What are you trying to accomplish?

Did you refer to him as “bmr” the other day?

Lopez is a shell of what he was when the Sox acquired him. He also hasn’t seemed healthy. Hopefully his stuff returns if they move him to the pen. This could be nothing, but did anyone else notice how much Collins was calling curveballs in Dunning’s debut and they were absolute hammers and a wipe out pitch. After that start, his curveball seemed to play a much smaller role, and didn’t have the same movement. Maybe his arm was just tiring out though. An equally frustrating thing with Cooper over his entire tenure was hearing about a prospect who throws upper 90s come up and top out at 93. Cooper definitely didn’t have issues helping pitchers be successful, but he was a stuff-killer. Things are different now, pitchers need to play with their best stuff. Pitchers definitely do not need their stuff suppressed, they need a coach who can help make their stuff better.

Does anyone have Cease’s strike % with his curveball last year. I rarely remember him starting a curveball in the zone, let alone keeping one in the zone. His curveball was a complete non-factor last season. You’re not going to get too many major league hitters chasing a ball spinning like crazy that’s already a foot outside. This was even more true with two strikes. Hence his shockingly low SO numbers. I honestly couldn’t stand watching him pitch last season. Cooper might have something to do with less curveballs, but it’s safe to assume they started calling less curveballs because he wouldn’t/couldn’t throw it in the zone. The only effect it seemed to have was getting behind in the count, waking hitters, high pitch counts. It’s a shame because it’s an absolutely wipe out pitch if he starts it in the zone. I’m not nearly as high on him as I am on Kopech, but I’m not giving up that he could be a 2/3 who will completely dominate a good amount of starts a year. Very interested to see what Katz does with these guys.

I was just kind of thinking out loud about it. You seem to back up that it’s not feasible to have him do both. If we get him up to say 100 innings starting in the minors, do we really want him throwing high leverage situations out of the pen in a division race and playoffs? I’d love to keep him as a starter as long as possible, but if that’s the case, he shouldn’t really be helping the ML team in 2021 and possibly not even 2022.

Oh yeah?

There is not one good reason to start Kopech in the majors next season. I’m sure they have a plan for him, but he’s also going to dictate some of that plan based on his AAA performance. Even if they plan to bring him up in June, if he doesn’t find his command until July, he’s not coming up until July. I am extremely confident in Kopech next season though. Hopefully their plan keeps his arm fresh for the playoffs.

I doubt it, but good point.

If they do decide to begin the year with Crochet starting in the minors, how many innings is even safe for him to throw for the year? 65 inning is the most he’s ever thrown (only 6 starts) and that was 2 years ago. If the ideal plan is to have him build up arm strength and endurance starting in AA/AAA, then bring him up to pitch out of the bullpen mid-year, how many innings does that look like? Is it feasible to do both of these things or does it have to be one or the other?

You are an ignorant piece of shit.

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I don’t think Stiever has that much value. I would guess the Cubs turn down that offer. Like it or not, Darvish is one of the best pitchers in baseball right now and despite his age, he seems to be getting better. His salary shouldn’t diminish his value. I think his contract might make him more valuable.

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You sound nice.

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