2018 Democrats thread

[StrangeSox]

 

[GoSox05]

Arizona GOP Senate candidate defends bus tour with far-right activist

GOP senate candidate going on tour with Mike Cernovich, who believes that pizza gate is real and that rape is not.  Has also been accused of rape in the past.

 

 

[Reddy]

18 hours ago, StrangeSox said:

Yeah, that's what makes it completely different.

 

Maybe you can disagree with the approach, but the intention was to offer her constituents a place they could feel comfortable sharing personal issues with her. It wasn't an anti media move.

It's ok when our people do it, just not when their people do it. 

[caulfield12]

8 hours ago, GoSox05 said:

Why?  Because she had a couple of slip ups on TV.

Have you seen some of the people this country elects?  Jim Inhofe once brought a snow ball into the state building to prove global warming was fake.  Steve King wants a white ethno state.  Ben Sasse promotes Jordan Peterson, who thinks that we should have government issued wives and that women who wear make up to work are asking for it. 

I could probably go on with at least another 50 republicans who are straight up bat shit crazy.  I'm sick of the Democrats and AOC are "crazy and dumb" and "far left" for wanting things that radical socialist countries like Canada and France have.  Meanwhile the other party continues to slide into the abyss and we don't get any "maybe they should rethink that and spend a month in a  psychiatric hospital."

Well, therein lies the question.  How can the Right use Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Schumer or Ocasio-Cortez-Cortez so successfully, but the Left can’t successfully turn around and do the same with “fill in the blank” name (someone other than Trump, and the jury’s still out on simply opposing Trump leading to any significant electoral success or turning out more Latino voters)?

Of course, it’s fair to point out that women almost alway absorb the harshest attacks, whether it’s HRC, Palin, Liz Warren...why isn’t Bernie Sanders held to the same standard for disinterest or lack of knowledge about foreign affairs?  

As an Iowan, how can junk politicians like Grassley and King hold office so long (incumbency effect, yeah) despite such voluminous trails of idiocy?

[StrangeSox]

5 hours ago, Reddy said:

It's ok when our people do it, just not when their people do it. 

It's categorically different but I've never seen you complaining about the private events with no press for wealthy donors. It's hard to take your concern here as genuine.

[Reddy]

17 minutes ago, StrangeSox said:

It's categorically different but I've never seen you complaining about the private events with no press for wealthy donors. It's hard to take your concern here as genuine.

Those are two completely different things. If a Republican had a no-media Town Hall we'd all go nuts. My campaign would be using it in our oppo.

[caulfield12]

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/20/brett-kavanaugh-bill-clinton-explicit-questions-lewinsky-789599

Kavanaugh plumbs the depth of depravity as a 33 year old counsel during MonicaGate back in 1998...encouraging to see him added to the Supreme Court, SIGH.

[StrangeSox]

1 hour ago, Reddy said:

Those are two completely different things. If a Republican had a no-media Town Hall we'd all go nuts. My campaign would be using it in our oppo.

Why is a no media event to meet with actual constituents some egregious thing but having a no media event to meet with the wealthy perfectly acceptable?

How many no media events for wealthy donors has your campaign done? What's the justification that doesn't hold for a town hall with actual people?

[Reddy]

20 minutes ago, StrangeSox said:

Why is a no media event to meet with actual constituents some egregious thing but having a no media event to meet with the wealthy perfectly acceptable?

How many no media events for wealthy donors has your campaign done? What's the justification that doesn't hold for a town hall with actual people?

 

Because we all know the real reason the media wasn't there is because AOC has a tendency to make gaffes. She can spin it all she wants. Fundraisers =/= Town Halls. Don't call it the latter if you're not willing to have media present so that your constituents not in attendance have just as much opportunity to see/hear you speak.

[StrangeSox]

So you're perfectly fine with the wealthy having private events so long as the name is different. How many times has your candidate barred the media from events?

 

Actually it's just your okay with anything that lets you punch left. That's the core standard here. And then you'll whine if a single progressive voter doesn't support the latest garbage establishment candidate with zero self awareness.

Edited August 21, 2018 by StrangeSox

[StrangeSox]

Another monument to treasonous slavers was torn down last night, this time at UNC. Something to remember when you see people clutching their pearls over it:

 

 

 

[GoSox05]

15 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Well, therein lies the question.  How can the Right use Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Schumer or Ocasio-Cortez-Cortez so successfully, but the Left can’t successfully turn around and do the same with “fill in the blank” name (someone other than Trump, and the jury’s still out on simply opposing Trump leading to any significant electoral success or turning out more Latino voters)?

Of course, it’s fair to point out that women almost alway absorb the harshest attacks, whether it’s HRC, Palin, Liz Warren...why isn’t Bernie Sanders held to the same standard for disinterest or lack of knowledge about foreign affairs?  

As an Iowan, how can junk politicians like Grassley and King hold office so long (incumbency effect, yeah) despite such voluminous trails of idiocy?

It's good question.  Although I think it's more liberals that have that problem.  They are afraid to be mean, maybe?

Also, this idea that Bernie Sanders has a lack of knowledge about foreign affairs is ridiculous.  He just isn't calling for bombing every other country every day.  His foreign policy isn't his strong suit, but he has been one of the only people in congress to call for the end of arms sales to Saudi Arabia and one of the only people to criticize Israel.

[Balta1701]

1 hour ago, GoSox05 said:

It's good question.  Although I think it's more liberals that have that problem.  They are afraid to be mean, maybe?

 Also, this idea that Bernie Sanders has a lack of knowledge about foreign affairs is ridiculous.  He just isn't calling for bombing every other country every day.  His foreign policy isn't his strong suit, but he has been one of the only people in congress to call for the end of arms sales to Saudi Arabia and one of the only people to criticize Israel.

This is actually rather remarkable. Here's Bernie's "Issues" page. I see 1 item that might count as foreign policy, the Iran deal, done by someone else, but at least he supported it. Maybe Climate Change counts too? Nothing to say about Russia, not even a comment on trade deal negotiations which should be an easy one. It's not just that it's not a strong topic for him, it's stuff like this that actually makes it clear he just doesn't care enough to outline policies. He includes an entire stand on the Hudson River...and he's not a Senator from New York, and the Hudson only flows through that state. 

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INCOME AND WEALTH INEQUALITY
IT'S TIME TO MAKE COLLEGE TUITION FREE AND DEBT FREE
GETTING BIG MONEY OUT OF POLITICS AND RESTORING DEMOCRACY
CREATING DECENT PAYING JOBS
A LIVING WAGE
COMBATING CLIMATE CHANGE TO SAVE THE PLANET
A FAIR AND HUMANE IMMIGRATION POLICY
RACIAL JUSTICE
FIGHTING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING
FIGHTING FOR WOMEN'S RIGHTS
WORKING TO CREATE AN AIDS AND HIV-FREE GENERATION
FIGHTING FOR LGBT EQUALITY
EMPOWERING TRIBAL NATIONS
CARING FOR OUR VETERANS
MEDICARE FOR ALL
STRENGTHEN AND EXPAND SOCIAL SECURITY
FIGHTING TO LOWER PRESCRIPTION DRUG PRICES
FIGHTING FOR DISABILITY RIGHTS
SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS' PLAN FOR PUERTO RICO
STANDING WITH GUAM
PREVENTING A GLOBAL RACE TO THE BOTTOM IN THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY
GENERAL ELECTRIC MUST PAY TO RESTORE THE HUDSON RIVER
CONSTITUTION PIPELINE MUST BE DEFEATED
SUPPORTING HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES
ENDING THE RACE TO THE BOTTOM
FIGHTING FOR THE RIGHTS OF NATIVE HAWAIIANS
IMPROVING THE RURAL ECONOMY
FIGHTING FOR NURSES
REFORMING WALL STREET
REAL FAMILY VALUES
WAR AND PEACE
WAR SHOULD BE THE LAST OPTION: WHY I SUPPORT THE IRAN DEAL
MAKING THE WEALTHY, WALL STREET, AND LARGE CORPORATIONS PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE
HOW BERNIE PAYS FOR HIS PROPOSALS

 

[StrangeSox]

On 8/16/2018 at 3:41 PM, StrangeSox said:

Georgia GOP planning on closing 7 of 9 polling places in majority minority county

 

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/08/15/us/ap-us-polling-places-proposed-closures.html

 

If Roberts and the rest of the conservatives on the court hadn't gutted the VRA back in 2013 with one of the worst rulings in generations, this wouldn't be possible. But they had no problem enabling the conservative movement's goal of suppressing as many voters as possible. Looking forward to decades more of these rulings from an increasingly illegitimate court.

 

 

[StrangeSox]

42 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

This is actually rather remarkable. Here's Bernie's "Issues" page. I see 1 item that might count as foreign policy, the Iran deal, done by someone else, but at least he supported it. Maybe Climate Change counts too? Nothing to say about Russia, not even a comment on trade deal negotiations which should be an easy one. It's not just that it's not a strong topic for him, it's stuff like this that actually makes it clear he just doesn't care enough to outline policies. He includes an entire stand on the Hudson River...and he's not a Senator from New York, and the Hudson only flows through that state. 

 

He has an entire section called "war and peace" that appears to be entirely about foreign policy, as one would expect. Come on.

For comparison, here's Clinton's current website. Not sure what it looked like in 2016, but it looks...pretty similar to Sanders' at a high level.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

 

edit: I am surprised that he doesn't have a whole page for trade deals, though. that seems like it'd be right in his wheel house.

Edited August 21, 2018 by StrangeSox

[GoSox05]

23 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

This is actually rather remarkable. Here's Bernie's "Issues" page. I see 1 item that might count as foreign policy, the Iran deal, done by someone else, but at least he supported it. Maybe Climate Change counts too? Nothing to say about Russia, not even a comment on trade deal negotiations which should be an easy one. It's not just that it's not a strong topic for him, it's stuff like this that actually makes it clear he just doesn't care enough to outline policies. He includes an entire stand on the Hudson River...and he's not a Senator from New York, and the Hudson only flows through that state. 

 

He definitely needs to have clearer examples of where he stands on things.  I'm sure he would if he runs again. 

He's still one of the only Democrats that continues to support the Iran deal and be active about it. 

As president he would cut off selling arms to Saudi Arabia, continue to work with Iran, fully open relations with Cuba.  That alone would make his foreign policy better than just about anyone else in the past 20 years. 

He needs to be more clear about ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Scaling back or ending drone bombings.  Also, putting sanctions on Israel. 

[Reddy]

5 hours ago, StrangeSox said:

So you're perfectly fine with the wealthy having private events so long as the name is different. How many times has your candidate barred the media from events?

 

Actually it's just your okay with anything that lets you punch left. That's the core standard here. And then you'll whine if a single progressive voter doesn't support the latest garbage establishment candidate with zero self awareness.

Fundraisers are different than Town Halls man. If facts don't matter to you then I don't know what to tell you. Fundraisers are necessary in order to win elections where your opponent can write himself a half a million dollar check. Have fun with all your purity if you can't actually win elections.

(Also I'm a progressive)

[StrangeSox]

49 minutes ago, Reddy said:

Fundraisers are different than Town Halls man. If facts don't matter to you then I don't know what to tell you. Fundraisers are necessary in order to win elections where your opponent can write himself a half a million dollar check. Have fun with all your purity if you can't actually win elections.

(Also I'm a progressive)

.Why is it okay to lock out the media for wealthy donors but not for regular constituents? What is the "fact" about functions for the wealthy that makes it okay for them to be secretive in order to solicit their donations that can't apply to normal people?

I'm not even making a purity argument here, so I don't know where you're getting that. It's an argument that nobody gives a shit when secrecy is afforded to the wealthy but god forbid someone try to create a safe environment for constituents who might feel vulnerable to express their concerns. It's a bunch of pearl-clutching from people who love to punch left.

Edited August 21, 2018 by StrangeSox

[Balta1701]

JFC. California Rep. Duncan Hunter and his wife indicted today.

[caulfield12]

11 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

JFC. California Rep. Duncan Hunter and his wife indicted today.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars in unusual charges on Hunter's campaign credit card had come under scrutiny, including among other things, an Italian vacation, dental work, purchases at a surf shop, and huge tabs at bars in restaurants in the San Diego and Washington, DC, areas. Among the most mocked charges was airfare for a pet rabbit to fly with the family, which an aide said was mistakenly charged to the wrong credit card. 

 

Hunter, a former Marine, has reimbursed his campaign account some $65,000 since the Federal Election Commission first questioned spending on video games in 2016, according to FEC records. 

 

"There was wrong campaign spending, but it was not done by me," Hunter told KGTV-10, a San Diego television station, earlier this year.

 

His comments have cast blame on his wife and former campaign manager, Margaret Hunter, who also made charges on the campaign credit card.

 

Hunter's lawyers said last year that "any mistakes were made they were strictly inadvertent and unintentional."

 

 

But her e-mails/Benghazi!!!  

[StrangeSox]

2 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

JFC. California Rep. Duncan Hunter and his wife indicted today.

This guy was Trump's second Congressional supporter!

 

 

The first is also under criminal indictment.

[StrangeSox]

Cohen's lawyer

 

 

[StrangeSox]

Lmao

 

 

I'm sure Trump's been doing crimes for decades so it'll be wild if Dems actually get and use subpoena power

 

[caulfield12]

5 hours ago, StrangeSox said:

This guy was Trump's second Congressional supporter!

 

 

The first is also under criminal indictment.

Vacations and travel

• August 6 to 10, 2011, in Las Vegas and elsewhere, the Hunters spent $2,448.27 on a personal vacation with individuals 3A and 3B. During the vacation, the Hunter’s bank account began to incur insufficient funds fees until a check from Duncan Hunter’s parents was deposited in the account. To conceal and disguise charges, Duncan Hunter told his treasurer they were “campaign related.” Margaret said the Las Vegas charges were for “couple meals.”
• August 18, 2011, Hunters spent $1,419 on five round-trip tickets to Boise for a family vacation. Hunter told his treasurer the charges were “campaign related.”
• October 28, 2011, in and around Washington, D.C. the Hunters spent $3,754.73 on a family vacation in which the Hunters ran the Marine Corps Marathon 10K course. Mr. Hunter told his treasurer that the charges were “all campaign” and Margaret said they were “during a trip to DC. Meals, mostly.”
• On January 12, 2012, Margaret spent $918.60 to fly her sister and two family members to a funeral in Tucson. She claimed they were for a “flight to Baltimore for NRCC winter meeting.”
• On January 22, 2012, Margaret spent $504.20 on round-trip tickets for her mother from San Diego to Chicago. She claimed they were for a “flight to Baltimore for NRCC winter meeting.”
• March 18,2014, in La Quinta, California, the Hunters spent $1,386.48 for two rooms at the La Quinta Resort & Club for a personal vacation with two unnamed individuals. The Hunters told the campaign chief of staff they had they “had issue with one room and ended up switching.”
• January 7, 2015 Margaret paid $800.33 in Hyatt Hotel charges, but told the campaign chief of staff they were paid with her personal card.
• In November, 2015, in an attempt to justify the use of campaign funds for the family's trip to Italy, the congressman attempted to set up a day tour of a U.S. Navy facility in Italy. After Navy officials responded that they could only provide a tour on a particular date, Duncan Hunter said he would discuss the proposed date with his wife, then subsequently told his chief of staff, "tell the Navy to go f*** themselves," and no tour occurred. Margaret Hunter told the treasurer that various charges from the Italy trip “were mostly military/defense meet related.” In an email to a friend, she said “Italy was amazing. Truly our best family trip so far. Like that saying ‘if traveling was free you’d never see me again!’”

 

NFL games

According to the indictment, Rep. Hunter twice spent campaign funds on outings to Pittsburgh Steelers games at Heinz Field.

 

From the San Diego Union Tribune

[StrangeSox]

It's not just Georgia where the GOP is shutting down polling places in minority areas

 

 

their stated reasons are pretty transparently bullshit, real reason is 100% voter suppression

 

 

Edited August 22, 2018 by StrangeSox