July 22, 20187 yr 13 hours ago, Jose Abreu said: Or, maybe, keeping him in AAA is hurting his development and he needs to be facing tougher competition so that he can improve as a player. It can be argued that said developmental time is more important that potentially having him for an extra year, which may not even happen because of the new CBA an extra month of playing in AAA isnt going to ruin his career
July 22, 20187 yr 4 hours ago, Jerksticks said: Dude, isn’t Birmingham a ridiculously hard park to hit in? I don’y know how to check that stat but historically it has been. So there’s your sample size for a field opposite of the Reno Aces in the PCL- how did he hit there? Did he have to face as many prospects, recovering from injury MLB players, polished (relative for MiLB) AAAA types, and former prospects in AA as in AAA? Id guess that he didn't. This idea that AA pitching > AAA pitching is a bit antiquated, & sounds like a Hawkism. There are other factors to consider when conparing his AA record to his AAA record, IMO. Edited July 22, 20187 yr by Two-Gun Pete
July 22, 20187 yr 4 hours ago, Jake said: There is a lot of evidence to suggest the "real" Eloy is much more like the one you've seen in his home games than the one you've seen in his road games. Going back to Moncada, he had an OPS in the .830s in Coors Field-Charlotte, but a middling OPS of .696 everywhere else in 2017. He's now OPSing closer to .700 than .800 this season in MLB; while yes, every player is different, we see at least Moncada's history as a template for other top prospects coming through the IL for this org. Id say that we can't conclude that Eloy is closer to the Coors Field-Charlotte version yet.
July 22, 20187 yr 13 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Going back to Moncada, he had an OPS in the .830s in Coors Field-Charlotte, but a middling OPS of .696 everywhere else in 2017. He's now OPSing closer to .700 than .800 this season in MLB; while yes, every player is different, we see at least Moncada's history as a template for other top prospects coming through the IL for this org. Id say that we can't conclude that Eloy is closer to the Coors Field-Charlotte version yet. Eloy has a .910 OPS in non-Charlotte ballparks this season
July 22, 20187 yr 12 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Going back to Moncada, he had an OPS in the .830s in Coors Field-Charlotte, but a middling OPS of .696 everywhere else in 2017. He's now OPSing closer to .700 than .800 this season in MLB; while yes, every player is different, we see at least Moncada's history as a template for other top prospects coming through the IL for this org. Id say that we can't conclude that Eloy is closer to the Coors Field-Charlotte version yet. Of course Moncada has a .770 home / .700 away split in MLB, so maybe AAA is informative after all! Not to mention a guy going from an .820 AAA OPS to a .750 OPS (in 2017) or .730 OPS (total) in MLB is hardly evidence of a guy morphing into a new player when advancing a level. At any rate, I don't think it's too controversial to say that Eloy's bat is better prepared at 20 games into his AAA career than Yoan's was. Eloy played a considerably higher number of games at the A and AA levels than Yoan prior to getting to where he is now. Eloy also has succeeded in a different way than Yoan in that he's never struggled to make contact which is a good indicator that he is not likely to go into a death spiral if promoted too aggressively. The question isn't whether Eloy must be promoted today, but whether what we've seen is fairly convincing that he's ready.
July 22, 20187 yr 1 hour ago, reiks12 said: an extra month of playing in AAA isnt going to ruin his career Again, the focus on won't hurt him as opposed to what's best for his development. Is this really how you want the organization run?
July 22, 20187 yr 17 minutes ago, Jake said: Of course Moncada has a .770 home / .700 away split in MLB, so maybe AAA is informative after all! Not to mention a guy going from an .820 AAA OPS to a .750 OPS (in 2017) or .730 OPS (total) in MLB is hardly evidence of a guy morphing into a new player when advancing a level. At any rate, I don't think it's too controversial to say that Eloy's bat is better prepared at 20 games into his AAA career than Yoan's was. Eloy played a considerably higher number of games at the A and AA levels than Yoan prior to getting to where he is now. Eloy also has succeeded in a different way than Yoan in that he's never struggled to make contact which is a good indicator that he is not likely to go into a death spiral if promoted too aggressively. The question isn't whether Eloy must be promoted today, but whether what we've seen is fairly convincing that he's ready. I don’t think that’s the question at all. I think he’s definitely ready. I also think he should be called up next season. I’ll think the same if he hits 1.000 for the rest of the season. It’s about team control, not whether he needs to hit .350 or .360 or .370. The dude is a stud and will remain so next year barring injury.
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