February 27, 20224 yr 35 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: This can be simplified even further. The owners proposed a luxury tax line of $215 million. Players are at $245 million. Until that thing gets closer to $230 million, there will be no baseball. I think they miss half the season or more at this point. There's no reason for the players to fight in order to miss like 22 games and cave basically. If they want real change, this drags into the summer.
February 27, 20224 yr 7 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: This can be simplified even further. The owners proposed a luxury tax line of $215 million. Players are at $245 million. Until that thing gets closer to $230 million, there will be no baseball. I think they miss half the season or more at this point. There's no reason for the players to fight in order to miss like 22 games and cave basically. If they want real change, this drags into the summer. Yup
February 27, 20224 yr 29 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: This can be simplified even further. The owners proposed a luxury tax line of $215 million. Players are at $245 million. Until that thing gets closer to $230 million, there will be no baseball. I think they miss half the season or more at this point. There's no reason for the players to fight in order to miss like 22 games and cave basically. If they want real change, this drags into the summer. I agree. The owners were never serious about meeting in the middle and it was reflected in their offer again yesterday. The players should walk away from the table at this point. Sadly we won't see baseball any time soon.
February 27, 20224 yr "Amid all the doom-and-gloom surrounding the CBA negotiation, there is at least one voice suggesting a deal could be in the offing. MLB Network’s Jon Heyman reports this morning that the two sides are “within striking distance” of a deal, and the two sides could reach a suitable compromise by tomorrow night. MLBTR’s sources disagree vehemently with Heyman’s report, however, and continue to say that a deal is not close."
February 27, 20224 yr Author 4 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: "Amid all the doom-and-gloom surrounding the CBA negotiation, there is at least one voice suggesting a deal could be in the offing. MLB Network’s Jon Heyman reports this morning that the two sides are “within striking distance” of a deal, and the two sides could reach a suitable compromise by tomorrow night. MLBTR’s sources disagree vehemently with Heyman’s report, however, and continue to say that a deal is not close." "MLB networks". So the question is, is this MLB owners using their propaganda tool to try to get a deal done, or are they using it to try to make the players look bad again? Guess we find out.
February 27, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: "MLB networks". So the question is, is this MLB owners using their propaganda tool to try to get a deal done, or are they using it to try to make the players look bad again? Guess we find out. Probably a little from column A and a lot from column B. Striking a deal is within their hands if they wanted it.
February 27, 20224 yr 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: This is fine, they’re allowed to do that. But it’s a negotiation. What are they willing to give up or trade for that new restriction and stronger tax?
February 27, 20224 yr 12 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: This is fine, they’re allowed to do that. But it’s a negotiation. What are they willing to give up or trade for that new restriction and stronger tax? Seems the only thing the owners are really unified on is their collective unwillingness to compromise on anything.
February 27, 20224 yr 3 hours ago, Tnetennba said: I agree. The owners were never serious about meeting in the middle and it was reflected in their offer again yesterday. The players should walk away from the table at this point. Sadly we won't see baseball any time soon. The problem with "meeting in the middle" is one starting point was the current agreement the other was set by the union. If the union made a fair offer than they lose if it gets settled in the middle. It has to be closer to what the players proposed unless you believe the players made an offer that was double what is fair. Meanwhile tens of millions of Americans are also working for greedy owners who could be paying them more yet those workers aren't represented by unions. The Walmart family are among the richest in America. Starting salary at Walmart should be $60,000 a year. Plenty of profits to support that.
February 27, 20224 yr 29 minutes ago, Texsox said: The problem with "meeting in the middle" is one starting point was the current agreement the other was set by the union. If the union made a fair offer than they lose if it gets settled in the middle. It has to be closer to what the players proposed unless you believe the players made an offer that was double what is fair. Meanwhile tens of millions of Americans are also working for greedy owners who could be paying them more yet those workers aren't represented by unions. The Walmart family are among the richest in America. Starting salary at Walmart should be $60,000 a year. Plenty of profits to support that. What the bleep? Lets review the past 28 hours. Players: “here is a comprehensive offer. We show movement on all major economic issues, including the luxury tax and revenue sharing where we have shown no movement previously. We are ready to negotiate to make a compromise happen and meet you in the middle if you show us movement.” Owners: “here is our same offer. We adjusted the luxury tax by $1 million in 2023.” Tex: “The union loses if it winds up in the middle”.
February 27, 20224 yr 16 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: What the bleep? Lets review the past 28 hours. Players: “here is a comprehensive offer. We show movement on all major economic issues, including the luxury tax and revenue sharing where we have shown no movement previously. We are ready to negotiate to make a compromise happen and meet you in the middle if you show us movement.” Owners: “here is our same offer. We adjusted the luxury tax by $1 million in 2023.” Tex: “The union loses if it winds up in the middle”. Are you suggesting that the players first offer wasn't fair? Seems like if the player's continue to give towards the middle they lose. What was unfair in the player's proposal that they should give up?
February 27, 20224 yr They were supposed to meet at 1:00 est. It's been over 2 hours. No news about the meeting. Wonder what kind of donuts they brought.
February 27, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, ScooterMcGee said: They were supposed to meet at 1:00 est. It's been over 2 hours. No news about the meeting. Wonder what kind of donuts they brought. Zach Britton says they aren't even close so I'm guessing the players wanted some nice Boston Creme and the owners brought day old bagels.
February 27, 20224 yr 30 minutes ago, Texsox said: Are you suggesting that the players first offer wasn't fair? Seems like if the player's continue to give towards the middle they lose. What was unfair in the player's proposal that they should give up? Both sides made original offers that were quite favorable to them. In your words, both sides made initial offers that were unfair to the other side. The owners’ initial proposal was worse for the players than the current CBA in important ways (elimination of Super 2 contracts and replacing it with a $10 million bonus pool was a request for a solid league-wide salary cut). Both sides could have accepted the others offer on face but it would have stung. An appropriate negotiation should work exactly like that. You submit your ideal offer…and find a compromise that neither side loves but they both accept. Maybe without a 43 day delay, but that’s unimportant. There was about a 1.5 week period where the players weren’t moving on anything prior to yesterday, but outside of that, the players have consistently shown a willingness to compromise on their original offer while the owners have shown no willingness to do so, and that is why we will be missing opening day.
February 27, 20224 yr 10 minutes ago, Texsox said: Zach Britton says they aren't even close so I'm guessing the players wanted some nice Boston Creme and the owners brought day old bagels. They dumpster dove at the local Krispy Kreme
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