October 31, 200322 yr i'm not really sure if i like Frank comming back. As a kid growing up Frank Thomas was my favorite player and a big reason why i'm a Sox fan in the first place, but as i've grown older his attitude and selfishness has kinda worn thin with me. Who are some other 6 million dollar guys? i guess if 6 mil is a bargan than i like the move, but i'd rather have more speed in the line up. didn't Tommy Herr bat #3 behind Coleman and Ozzie Smith with Willie McGee in the 5 hole? at least that was the order in RBI Baseball (best baseball game ever) i miss a lot of news being here in Colorado but what's the deal with Robbie and Jose? I wish i could listen to more Chicago news, i've really missed the Score since i moved away.
October 31, 200322 yr I am not really excited about Big Hurt coming back. I dont hate him I just want the sox go the other way. Yeah he is still a great hitter but he doesnt produce when it counts. I enjoyed the thought of getting Nick Johnson from the Yanks but I guess that is out of the way now.
October 31, 200322 yr How many teams have players hit in the three hole that have low home run totals? The team that won our division would fall under this category. The player? Doug Mienkiewicz.
October 31, 200322 yr The team that won our division would fall under this category. The player? Doug Mienkiewicz. I can't stand Doug Mientkiewicz... But I am Happy Frank is coming back. I have seen too many of my favorite Sox players go out with a different team or get pushed out at the end on bad terms.
October 31, 200322 yr If it makes you feel any better, consider these two players: Player A - .267 avg, 42 HR, 105 RBI, .562 SLG, 35 doubles Player B - .325 avg, 37 HR, 104 RBI, .587 SLG, 35 doubles Player A makes 6 million a year, and Player B makes 20 million a year. Is Player B's extra 58 points on the batting average worth an extra 14 million a year? NO WAY. Player A is Frank Thomas, Player B is Manny Ramirez. I know Manny is a GREAT hitter - one of the best, but statistically, he's not 14 million dollars better than Frank.
October 31, 200322 yr If it makes you feel any better, consider these two players: Player A - .267 avg, 42 HR, 105 RBI, .562 SLG, 35 doubles Player B - .325 avg, 37 HR, 104 RBI, .587 SLG, 35 doubles Player A makes 6 million a year, and Player B makes 20 million a year. Is Player B's extra 58 points on the batting average worth an extra 14 million a year? NO WAY. Player A is Frank Thomas, Player B is Manny Ramirez. I know Manny is a GREAT hitter - one of the best, but statistically, he's not 14 million dollars better than Frank. Well said. The battle for supremacy in MLB will have to be done with fiscal responsibility, at least if you're not the Yanks, Red Sox, Mets, or the revolving door of the last 10 years (Orioles, Dodgers, Seattle).
October 31, 200322 yr Their numbers are somewhat similar, and Manny is a much better hitter at this point, but there's a underlying characteristic to remember (especially in the clubhouse) : Frank Thomas may be a grumpy crabass, but Manny Ramirez is a selfish dickhead. We at least have the worst of two evils.
October 31, 200322 yr now let's get on with the task of putting the rest of the lineup and the pitching staff together Would have been somewhat easier without the 6 million we're going to owe a "Twilight" Frank Thomas. With this news, if the Sox are going to make any significant moves this offseason, they will have to shop around PK. Or Magglio, right? Wouldn't that seem more likely, given his salary, production, and the fact that it's his walkaway year?
October 31, 200322 yr now let's get on with the task of putting the rest of the lineup and the pitching staff together Would have been somewhat easier without the 6 million we're going to owe a "Twilight" Frank Thomas. With this news, if the Sox are going to make any significant moves this offseason, they will have to shop around PK. Or Magglio, right? Wouldn't that seem more likely, given his salary, production, and the fact that it's his walkaway year? Unfortunately, I have to agree. I don't see any other way for the Sox to compete without increasing payroll drastically.
October 31, 200322 yr now let's get on with the task of putting the rest of the lineup and the pitching staff together Would have been somewhat easier without the 6 million we're going to owe a "Twilight" Frank Thomas. With this news, if the Sox are going to make any significant moves this offseason, they will have to shop around PK. Or Magglio, right? Wouldn't that seem more likely, given his salary, production, and the fact that it's his walkaway year? Unfortunately, I have to agree. I don't see any other way for the Sox to compete without increasing payroll drastically. The story from the MLB site on Frank's return doesn't sound good as far as the 2004 payroll. Williams flatly states that the $51 million level from 2003 is not expected to increase significantly for this year. Apparently the $12 million or so we offered Colon is going back into Reinsdorf's pockets and not being used to bring in some more talent. I assume the hopeful projection of $60-65 million by many of us was based on our collective assumption that money not spent on Colon would still be spent on improving the team. PK or Magglio will have to go obviously. Those two, Frank, Carlos, Loaiza, Buehrle, and Koch alread account for like $45 million. That's before resigning Sandy or Robbie, or Jose or whever we hope might replace him, or any new pitching. I'm really depressed now
October 31, 200322 yr now let's get on with the task of putting the rest of the lineup and the pitching staff together Would have been somewhat easier without the 6 million we're going to owe a "Twilight" Frank Thomas. With this news, if the Sox are going to make any significant moves this offseason, they will have to shop around PK. Or Magglio, right? Wouldn't that seem more likely, given his salary, production, and the fact that it's his walkaway year? The thought has crossed my mind Ghost. I'd rather them find a way to unload PK at this point. If we deal Maggs simply because Frank Thomas is JR's boy and money restraints self-imposed by JR himself, then that is a f***ing shame. Maggs is 10 times more the "franchise" player right now than Frank Thomas is. But Maggs is due to make more than Thomas so it make sense for JR I guess.
June 13, 200421 yr Whoop-dee-motherf***ing-doo! At least we'll have one player swinging for the fence every AB next season. :puke Yeah, you're a f***ing dope for certain.
June 13, 200421 yr For $6 million, things could be worse. Could be better, but it could be worse. make the best of it, folks You disappoint me, definitely. I always enjoy reading your posts, but this is pathetic.
June 13, 200421 yr Would have been somewhat easier without the 6 million we're going to owe a "Twilight" Frank Thomas. With this news, if the Sox are going to make any significant moves this offseason, they will have to shop around PK. And the hits just keep on coming!!!!! Go and hide your head in shame, buddy.
June 13, 200421 yr ROTFLMAO Amazing eh ... CubKilla will most lilkey be inducted into the Hall Of Dopes on the first ballot.
June 13, 200421 yr Author CubKilla will most lilkey be inducted into the Hall Of Dopes on the first ballot. Why is he trying to stir up trouble now?
June 13, 200421 yr Would have been somewhat easier without the 6 million we're going to owe a "Twilight" Frank Thomas. With this news, if the Sox are going to make any significant moves this offseason, they will have to shop around PK. Or Magglio, right? Wouldn't that seem more likely, given his salary, production, and the fact that it's his walkaway year? Unfortunately, I have to agree. I don't see any other way for the Sox to compete without increasing payroll drastically. The story from the MLB site on Frank's return doesn't sound good as far as the 2004 payroll. Williams flatly states that the $51 million level from 2003 is not expected to increase significantly for this year. Apparently the $12 million or so we offered Colon is going back into Reinsdorf's pockets and not being used to bring in some more talent. I assume the hopeful projection of $60-65 million by many of us was based on our collective assumption that money not spent on Colon would still be spent on improving the team. PK or Magglio will have to go obviously. Those two, Frank, Carlos, Loaiza, Buehrle, and Koch alread account for like $45 million. That's before resigning Sandy or Robbie, or Jose or whever we hope might replace him, or any new pitching. I'm really depressed now What did the payroll settle at?
June 13, 200421 yr Whoop-dee-motherf***ing-doo! At least we'll have one player swinging for the fence every AB next season. :puke What the hell is your problem? Not only is he one of the greatest hitters in White Sox history, he's having an MVP type season. What do you want? 9 Joe DiMaggio's?
June 13, 200421 yr lol this got bumped from last year. And it sure does take some balls to criticize AFTER the fact :headshake
June 13, 200421 yr Yeah, you're a f***ing dope for certain. And your putting this old thread up because...
June 13, 200421 yr lol this got bumped from last year. And it sure does take some balls to criticize AFTER the fact :headshake There is nothing wrong with criticizing people after the fact. That's where most of the definitive evidence comes in to play.
June 13, 200421 yr And your putting this old thread up because... Because I want to make you angry, Jeremy!
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