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caulfield12 Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 Kind of embarrassing they're somehow ahead of the Guardians with such putrid, history-setting results... Can certainly understand why Twins fans are angry and want them to sell (following up 2023 breakthrough with zilch zero nada)., but they're still far and away the biggest AL Central payroll at roughly $140 million. Finally, Mets and Dodgers blowing everyone else away...can't see that changing much, not any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 21 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Kind of embarrassing they're somehow ahead of the Guardians with such putrid, history-setting results... Can certainly understand why Twins fans are angry and want them to sell (following up 2023 breakthrough with zilch zero nada)., but they're still far and away the biggest AL Central payroll at roughly $140 million. Finally, Mets and Dodgers blowing everyone else away...can't see that changing much, not any time soon. Are we going to cry about 2024 forever ? Hey this should make you feel better .That's just on players isn't it ? Think of how much more above what they might've spend in a year where they fired a bunch of people hired their replacements, hired extra people, and bought a bunch of equipment to modernize the infra-structure and still going to have another terrible season. And they all run around saying they believe in Getz' vision and that good things are happening. What a bunch of putzes am I right ? Hey putz is kind of like Getz. Chris Putz !I feel so much better joining in on making fun of everything and everybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) 28 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Are we going to cry about 2024 forever ? Hey this should make you feel better .That's just on players isn't it ? Think of how much more above what they might've spend in a year where they fired a bunch of people hired their replacements, hired extra people, and bought a bunch of equipment to modernize the infra-structure and still going to have another terrible season. And they all run around saying they believe in Getz' vision and that good things are happening. What a bunch of putzes am I right ? Hey putz is kind of like Getz. Chris Putz !I feel so much better joining in on making fun of everything and everybody. Other teams spend on things like this all the time and still manage to also have a reasonable payroll. The Sox have to do this now because they’ve failed in choosing the wrong front office, scouting, development, and technology for years and years. And we still don’t know if they nailed it this time either. No bonus points granted for that. Edited January 29 by WhiteSox2023 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 22 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Other teams spend on things like this all the time and still manage to also have a reasonable payroll. The Sox have to do this now because they’ve failed in choosing the wrong front office, scouting, development, and technology for years and years. And we still don’t know if they nailed it this time either. No bonus points granted for that. Guess we're not other teams are we ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 (edited) "The Dodgers are now on track for a $379 million payroll, per Fangraphs' estimate, which would be the largest payroll in MLB history. The 110% CBT surcharge would mean this deal is more like a $27.3 million pact for them. Yates is coming off one of the best seasons in baseball by a reliever, with a 1.17 ERA that ranked behind only Cleveland Guardians closer Emmanuel Clase for the best mark among relievers." https://sports.yahoo.com/dodgers-add-closer-kirby-yates-pushing-payroll-to-estimated-379-million-report-030528286.html Still doesn't include Enrique Hernandez and Clayton Kershaw...pushing them over $400 million soon enough and then the 3B Murakami contract for next off season. Plus the best Japanese starting FA pitcher available at the end of NPB season...so let's say/project $450 million, roughly. Edited January 29 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I hope no team takes on any payroll from them. Even the bullpen pieces (since that is an area getting crowded) like Blake Treinen ($8.5M), Evan Phillips ($6.1M), Ryan Brasier ($4.5M) that are likely getting squeezed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 6 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I hope no team takes on any payroll from them. Even the bullpen pieces (since that is an area getting crowded) like Blake Treinen ($8.5M), Evan Phillips ($6.1M), Ryan Brasier ($4.5M) that are likely getting squeezed out. If they want to send real prospects for the Sox to do it, they should absolutely listen to the pitch. They still need PLENTY of position player prospects. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) 6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: If they want to send real prospects for the Sox to do it, they should absolutely listen to the pitch. They still need PLENTY of position player prospects. Well yeah, that would be the only scenario really. Don't really think the Sox are going to do that though. Edited January 29 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 4 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I hope no team takes on any payroll from them. Even the bullpen pieces (since that is an area getting crowded) like Blake Treinen ($8.5M), Evan Phillips ($6.1M), Ryan Brasier ($4.5M) that are likely getting squeezed out. Banda's only $1 million...Yates Treinen Kopech and Vesia make up their back end now, with the pressure of carrying 6-7 starters also falling on that pen. Phillips is going nowhere for now. It's either Brasier or Banda. Just depends on the best possible deal they work out...White Sox could also "buy" Taylor for LAD prospects but they already added Rojas instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 9 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I hope no team takes on any payroll from them. Even the bullpen pieces (since that is an area getting crowded) like Blake Treinen ($8.5M), Evan Phillips ($6.1M), Ryan Brasier ($4.5M) that are likely getting squeezed out. There will always be a team that will take on a decent reliever for a pittance, especially if the Dodgers include some cash. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 8 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: There will always be a team that will take on a decent reliever for a pittance, especially if the Dodgers include some cash. Half that money in cash considerations for a Sox intl prospect and Getz has himself a deal for Brasier IMO. Brasier would be what Steven Wilson was intended to be last season, a veteran stabilizer/shock absorber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Other teams spend on things like this all the time and still manage to also have a reasonable payroll. The Sox have to do this now because they’ve failed in choosing the wrong front office, scouting, development, and technology for years and years. And we still don’t know if they nailed it this time either. No bonus points granted for that. Weird how Baltimore "spends on things like this all the time", and they still can't develop an ace pitcher or two. I mean, Mike Mussina was probably the last true "ace" they developed. Maybe the Sox aren't so behind the rest of the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 12 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Weird how Baltimore "spends on things like this all the time", and they still can't develop an ace pitcher or two. I mean, Mike Mussina was probably the last true "ace" they developed. Maybe the Sox aren't so behind the rest of the league. It would so awful to be like Baltimore and coming off of multiple seasons in a row in the playoffs with one of the youngest offenses in the game. Those poor fans. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 11 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: It would so awful to be like Baltimore and coming off of multiple seasons in a row in the playoffs with one of the youngest offenses in the game. Those poor fans. Grayson Rodriguez has that potential still and Bradish was a solid 2 in 2023 before injury. Eflin will be just fine albeit not cheap by any stretch of the imagination. 2024 was all about the offense collapsing in the post season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 14 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Grayson Rodriguez has that potential still and Bradish was a solid 2 in 2023 before injury. Eflin will be just fine albeit not cheap by any stretch of the imagination. 2024 was all about the offense collapsing in the post season. 2023 was also kind of about that, too. Somebody here thinks Baltimore, and every other team are running circles around us on all fronts, and Baltimore hasn't even developed an ace level pitcher this century. Buehrle, Sale, Cease, Crochet vs. ...... Kevin Gausman??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Why do I feel like a deal is going to be Kjerstad for Michael King or some s%*#. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 (edited) 10 minutes ago, WestEddy said: 2023 was also kind of about that, too. Somebody here thinks Baltimore, and every other team are running circles around us on all fronts, and Baltimore hasn't even developed an ace level pitcher this century. Buehrle, Sale, Cease, Crochet vs. ...... Kevin Gausman??? What good do all those pitchers along with Kopech Rodon Lopez Giolito Lopez Quintana do besides help other teams in the postseason and make us the unofficial feeder team for MLB? Balt still had Kjerstad Mayo and Basallo to work with as well. Balt has/had the best position prospect depth chart of any team in baseball the last decade. None of them have butter yet and Hendersion's an e sports cover star transcending Tim Anderson by miles. Edited January 29 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 22 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: What good do all those pitchers along with Kopech Rodon Lopez Giolito Lopez Quintana do besides help other teams in the postseason and make us the unofficial feeder team for MLB? Balt still had Kjerstad Mayo and Basallo to work with as well. Balt has/had the best position prospect depth chart of any team in baseball the last decade. None of them have butter yet and Hendersion's an e sports cover star transcending Tim Anderson by miles. Guy barreled in, and basically said that any advancements the Sox are making, everybody's already been doing that. You can't win without good pitching. The Sox have been able to draft and develop good pitching. They've now decided to tighten their focus on developing good pitching. Baltimore hasn't developed an ace-level pitcher this century. As far as their depth chart, it's great to be able to draft top 5 for multiple years in a row. They made it work. After Kjerstad, Mayo and Basallo, they're pretty thin. In the 90's, Cleveland developed and seeded in Sandy Alomar, Jim Thome, Omar Vizquel, Belle, Lofton, Manny. Then, when those guys started leaving, they had Brian Giles and Richie Sexson ready to step up. Then Victor Martinez and Grady Sizemore. Baltimore seems to have one class, then 4th OFs. If you haven't realized it, yet, all baseball players grow old and retire. Some hit their prime and regress. It's not a bad thing to trade or let them walk if you have a steady stream of good pitching prospects. Lucas Giolito hasn't helped anybody make the post-season, post-Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: Weird how Baltimore "spends on things like this all the time", and they still can't develop an ace pitcher or two. I mean, Mike Mussina was probably the last true "ace" they developed. Maybe the Sox aren't so behind the rest of the league. Your best example is of a team that is in a far better place than the lowly White Sox? The Sox also can’t develop a hitting prospect worth a damn like the Orioles. Regardless, no Orioles fan is trading places with us. Edited January 30 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 18 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Your best example is of a team that is in a far better place than the lowly White Sox? The Sox also can’t develop a hitting prospect worth a damn like the Orioles. Regardless, no Orioles fan is trading places with us. Nobody's asking to trade places. The Sox have developed multiple ace-level pitchers in the recent past. Baltimore can't. They'll be trading places soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) 9 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Nobody's asking to trade places. The Sox have developed multiple ace-level pitchers in the recent past. Baltimore can't. They'll be trading places soon enough. Agreed. Combine both teams drafting and development talents and they might upstage the Dodgers. But separately… Edited January 30 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 23 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Nobody's asking to trade places. The Sox have developed multiple ace-level pitchers in the recent past. Baltimore can't. They'll be trading places soon enough. They both seem to have one thing in common that kills them both, cowardice management and ownership which won't allow them to make the moves they need to sustain winning for anything resembling a prolonged period of time. Just like the Sox position player development, Baltimore hasn't been able to develop pitching and their management has been afraid to acquire the guys the really need to fill those holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 15 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: They both seem to have one thing in common that kills them both, cowardice management and ownership which won't allow them to make the moves they need to sustain winning for anything resembling a prolonged period of time. Just like the Sox position player development, Baltimore hasn't been able to develop pitching and their management has been afraid to acquire the guys the really need to fill those holes. Well except for Burnes on an expiring deal without actually touching their farm's core. A bit like the Tucker trade for the Cubs. Half measures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 3 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: Well yeah, that would be the only scenario really. Don't really think the Sox are going to do that though. Definitely too outside the box for JR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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