caulfield12 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 14 minutes ago, Timmy U said: They have a lot of potential relievers, if they want to try to assemble an actual mlb pen. My guess is that, due to 40 man stuff, Wikelman is the next man up. Stuff plays up out of the pen. He has had 2 or 3 scoreless outings thus far in AAA. I bet he is up in 2-3 weeks. Ramos is coming on, like you said, but they are awash in RH corner types. I think Braden Montgomery is on a rocket ride up the system. He has disciplined at bats already and no one questions the tools. In the old days, he would be a potential September call up. I think his ETA is now May/June 2026. Schultz has to be added to the 40 man this offseason, so I bet we see him. Smith and Taylor, who knows? I kinda don’t want them to bring up Taylor cuz if they see him in the pen, they may want to keep him there. I think McDougal is a possible pen conversion and call up too. His 40 man clock is ticking. He throws 100 with nasty breaking stuff and control lapses. That sounds like a bullpen guy to me. Lotta guys they can cycle through. The problem is it's almost all on the pitching side until at least next June/July...and it wouldn't be shocking to see Braden held back until 2027 for service time reasons. He still has to conquer Birmingham at the very least...and that's a very tough league for hitters. Teel was one of the Big 3 in Boston until Campbell tore through their entire system last year...and we've yet to see that type of impact hitting yet from him. 760 in Charlotte feels like 660...because of how inflated the numbers are there historically. Finally, at least one of Vargas Baldwin Quero Meidroth or Sosa needs to finish the season as a 700 hitter or better, or it will be a pretty big disappointment imo. Because we won't have any surefire projected future starters other than Quero/Teel, Braden and maybe Bonemer (2027/28), and they pretty much are going to have to take another college outfielder in the first round of the draft...or get one back for Luis Robert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 20 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: The problem is it's almost all on the pitching side until at least next June/July...and it wouldn't be shocking to see Braden held back until 2027 for service time reasons. He still has to conquer Birmingham at the very least...and that's a very tough league for hitters. Teel was one of the Big 3 in Boston until Campbell tore through their entire system last year...and we've yet to see that type of impact hitting yet from him. 760 in Charlotte feels like 660...because of how inflated the numbers are there historically. Finally, at least one of Vargas Baldwin Quero Meidroth or Sosa needs to finish the season as a 700 hitter or better, or it will be a pretty big disappointment imo. Because we won't have any surefire projected future starters other than Quero/Teel, Braden and maybe Bonemer (2027/28), and they pretty much are going to have to take another college outfielder in the first round of the draft...or get one back for Luis Robert. I didn’t say I thought they would fix the offensive side. But they may be able to fix the pen, which would be huge. I would be shocked if they tried to keep Montgomery down until 2027. They will have little incentive to completely suck in 2026. I expect them to put their best possible team on the field and that that team still will not be all that good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 11 minutes ago, Timmy U said: I didn’t say I thought they would fix the offensive side. But they may be able to fix the pen, which would be huge. I would be shocked if they tried to keep Montgomery down until 2027. They will have little incentive to completely suck in 2026. I expect them to put their best possible team on the field and that that team still will not be all that good. Then they're going to have to luck out with Oppor McDougal or Taylor, because the entire success of the pen flows downward or backwards from having 3 lockdown guys to split the 8th and 9th...one a LHP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 9 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Then they're going to have to luck out with Oppor McDougal or Taylor, because the entire success of the pen flows downward or backwards from having 3 lockdown guys to split the 8th and 9th...one a LHP. Who says Oppor is a reliever? Based on what I have seen, Oppor is a more sure thing to start than Hagen Smith is. Taylor would not be luck. He would be the Sox closer right now if they brought him up. I just want him to start. McDougal, who knows? His inconsistent mechanics could get cleaned up and he could start. Or he could be such a mess that he can’t even stick in the pen. And do not sleep on Wikelman. He has a good arm, there’s just a lot of effort. He might be really good out of the pen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 59 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: The problem is it's almost all on the pitching side until at least next June/July...and it wouldn't be shocking to see Braden held back until 2027 for service time reasons. He still has to conquer Birmingham at the very least...and that's a very tough league for hitters. Teel was one of the Big 3 in Boston until Campbell tore through their entire system last year...and we've yet to see that type of impact hitting yet from him. 760 in Charlotte feels like 660...because of how inflated the numbers are there historically. Finally, at least one of Vargas Baldwin Quero Meidroth or Sosa needs to finish the season as a 700 hitter or better, or it will be a pretty big disappointment imo. Because we won't have any surefire projected future starters other than Quero/Teel, Braden and maybe Bonemer (2027/28), and they pretty much are going to have to take another college outfielder in the first round of the draft...or get one back for Luis Robert. Midseason 2026 at the latest for Braden Montgomery. Holding until 2027 doesn’t make any sense. They’re going to get most of these guys up for 2026. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Midseason 2026 at the latest for Braden Montgomery. Holding until 2027 doesn’t make any sense. They’re going to get most of these guys up for 2026. Other than Vaughn/Madrigal...when's the last college (position) player who didn't play professionally at all during his draft year and then made it to Chicago in just 1 1/2 years? Aaron Rowand took the equivalent of three seasons...considering 1998 at bats in Hickory and 2001 in Charlotte. Brian Anderson 2003/04/05. At least 2 1/2 seasons and a first round pick out of AZ from roughly the same point in the draft as Montgomery. Just can't simply project 100% linear development for 1 1/2 years based on the first six weeks of 2025. Edited May 11 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 1 hour ago, Timmy U said: Who says Oppor is a reliever? Based on what I have seen, Oppor is a more sure thing to start than Hagen Smith is. Taylor would not be luck. He would be the Sox closer right now if they brought him up. I just want him to start. McDougal, who knows? His inconsistent mechanics could get cleaned up and he could start. Or he could be such a mess that he can’t even stick in the pen. And do not sleep on Wikelman. He has a good arm, there’s just a lot of effort. He might be really good out of the pen. We really need to be careful with SSS here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: We really need to be careful with SSS here. For sure. BUt I'm talking mechanics. Look at them. Hagen Smith is way more unconventional. I hope it works, but that risk has been there for him since his sophomore year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 2 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Other than Vaughn/Madrigal...when's the last college (position) player who didn't play professionally at all during his draft year and then made it to Chicago in just 1 1/2 years? Aaron Rowand took the equivalent of three seasons...considering 1998 at bats in Hickory and 2001 in Charlotte. Brian Anderson 2003/04/05. At least 2 1/2 seasons and a first round pick out of AZ from roughly the same point in the draft as Montgomery. Just can't simply project 100% linear development for 1 1/2 years based on the first six weeks of 2025. Why is this just limited to “made it to Chicago?” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Why is this just limited to “made it to Chicago?” Okay...so any mid to late teens first round draft pick who made it to the majors in just 1 1/2 seasons, bypassing MiLB ball their draft year for whatever reason? Neto I guess...one of the Angels first rounders, Neto with 1 1/2 years in the minors but played SS ball in his draft year out of Campbell, which isn't high P4/5. Then you have Schanuel at 1B out of Florida International...also played in his draft year. Still aren't many outfielders to pull off this trick. Edited May 11 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 13 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Okay...so any mid to late teens first round draft pick who made it to the majors in just 1 1/2 seasons? Neto I guess...one of the Angels first rounders, Neto with 1 1/2 years in the minors but played SS ball in his draft year out of Campbell, which isn't P4/5. Um, Cam Smith is in the majors right now. Schanuel was drafted 11th (Montgomery 12th in a deeper draft). Shaw made it in 1.5, but got sent back. Langford, Jacob Wilson, Rhett Lowder, and Chase Dollander were all on that schedule, though I will grant they were selected higher. Year and a half to two years is not unusual for high-profile college guys. Montgomery was reportedly on track to go 1-2 before he broke his ankle, so May/June 2026 is not crazy for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Timmy U said: Um, Cam Smith is in the majors right now. Schanuel was drafted 11th (Montgomery 12th in a deeper draft). Shaw made it in 1.5, but got sent back. Langford, Jacob Wilson, Rhett Lowder, and Chase Dollander were all on that schedule, though I will grant they were selected higher. Year and a half to two years is not unusual for high-profile college guys. Montgomery was reportedly on track to go 1-2 before he broke his ankle, so May/June 2026 is not crazy for him. So Lankford and C.Smith for current big league outfielders...but the White Sox haven't done it with any college position players other than Madrigal/Vaughn in ages. Dollander won't last long at this point. Wyatt Lankford made it to A ball in his draft year. I was asking for players that missed SS/A ball or skipped but still made it up in 1 1/2 seasons. Cam Smith also to High A South Bend his draft season... Dylan Crews made it to AA his draft year but was severely disappointing at least in 2024 and is far from dominating this year. All three of those guys played for 2-3 months after being drafted, though. Pitching it's certainly a lot more typical if you come out of the draft with big arms like Skenes, Crochet or Sale. Edited May 11 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 33 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: So Lankford and C.Smith for current big league outfielders...but the White Sox haven't done it with any college position players other than Madrigal/Vaughn in ages. Dollander won't last long at this point. Wyatt Lankford made it to A ball in his draft year. I was asking for players that missed SS/A ball or skipped but still made it up in 1 1/2 seasons. Cam Smith also to High A South Bend his draft season... Dylan Crews made it to AA his draft year but was severely disappointing at least in 2024 and is far from dominating this year. All three of those guys played for 2-3 months after being drafted, though. Pitching it's certainly a lot more typical if you come out of the draft with big arms like Skenes, Crochet or Sale. It's such a small sample size of players who missed their draft year, were mid to late round draft picks, and were position players that it is not a reasonable data set. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 4 hours ago, Timmy U said: They have a lot of potential relievers, if they want to try to assemble an actual mlb pen. I think a couple of them are in the current rotation - they'll be moved either to the pen or to another team. As for luck, well what is Shane Smith? To a large extent, the more smart decisions and hard work you put in, the "luckier" you get. (the last regime barely bothered to use Rule 5 at all in their final rebuild). On the other hand, how could the Brewers, an org. that knows what it's doing, especially on the margins, miss on a pitcher like this? And, yes it was a choice not a "no room at the inn" situation, as they made a Rule 5 pick themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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