8/31 Yankees @ White Sox

[WhiteSox2023]

2 hours ago, WestEddy said:

There sure was a lot of hand wringing over that guy back in the spring. I think crows would go extinct if everyone decided to "eat crow". 

Yeah, you just knew he was going to immediately be this successful in the majors after two awful minor league seasons in a row, right?  What a freaking joke of a comment, trying to shove it in peoples’ faces as if you just always knew Montgomery would tear it up upon his call up.  🤣🤡

No one is eating crow because no one — including you — thought that Montgomery would have this type of immediate success after two bad seasons in AAA along with his back issues.

Unfortunately for your usual Getz agenda, Montgomery was drafted by Hahn, so we can thank him instead.  But please give us your thoughts on Booser and Gilbert whom our current GM actually acquired and traded prospects for.

Edited September 1 by WhiteSox2023

[Stinky Stanky]

6 hours ago, joejoesox said:

Booser is fucking trash

Great stuff but if he can't control it mox nix. Gonzales OTOH has impressive stuff and a clue as to where it's going.

[nrockway]

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Yeah, you just knew he was going to immediately be this successful in the majors after two awful minor league seasons in a row, right?  What a freaking joke of a comment, trying to shove it in peoples’ faces as if you just always knew Montgomery would tear it up upon his call up.  🤣🤡

No one is eating crow because no one — including you — thought that Montgomery would have this type of immediate success after two bad seasons in AAA along with his back issues.

Unfortunately for your usual Getz agenda, Montgomery was drafted by Hahn, so we can thank him instead.  But please give us your thoughts on Booser and Gilbert whom our current GM actually acquired and traded prospects for.

tbh yea I did. he passed the vibe test. Garrett "he's never thrown 100 innings" Crochet passed the same test. so does Braden. Fauske is trending in that direction.

Edited September 1 by nrockway

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

2 hours ago, WestEddy said:

There sure was a lot of hand wringing over that guy back in the spring. I think crows would go extinct if everyone decided to "eat crow". 

All season actually , all through his non-linear ( not a surprise) development. 

Im just glad that many of the prospects came to the big leagues and succeeded this season when someone here said " the odds are nearly 100% that a significant amount of these guys will fail, and fail hard. They are all so young, and development isnt certain, nor linear. " Now if Im being fair maybe he only meant some of the pitchers you mentioned and not the even younger position players who were set to make ther debuts this year.  Thats not counting Hagen Smith or Schultz who many thought could be called up at the end of this year. I didnt think so because again that would be an ultra fast linear progression which rarely happens with early 20s pitchers .

I find it incredibly odd that so very few mentioned Quero,Teel, Sosa, Vargas, Meidroth, C. Montgomery in their reasonings about our record this year. Has a lot gone wrong ? It probably couldnt have gone much worse for  pitching depth purposes with all the injuries and it's showing more and more the later we get in the season. 

Also a lot went right Colson, Teel, Vargas, Sosa, Quero have all performed better than expected. Perez has pitched well in his short non injured time Houser came from nowhere as did Shane Smith, Vasil ,and Yoendrys Gomez. And we added the Pope to our squad too. Can't be all bad. 

[Bob Sacamano]

6 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

All season actually , all through his non-linear ( not a surprise) development. 

Im just glad that many of the prospects came to the big leagues and succeeded this season when someone here said " the odds are nearly 100% that a significant amount of these guys will fail, and fail hard. They are all so young, and development isnt certain, nor linear. " Now if Im being fair maybe he only meant some of the pitchers you mentioned and not the even younger position players who were set to make ther debuts this year.  Thats not counting Hagen Smith or Schultz who many thought could be called up at the end of this year. I didnt think so because again that would be an ultra fast linear progression which rarely happens with early 20s pitchers .

I find it incredibly odd that so very few mentioned Quero,Teel, Sosa, Vargas, Meidroth, C. Montgomery in their reasonings about our record this year. Has a lot gone wrong ? It probably couldnt have gone much worse for  pitching depth purposes with all the injuries and it's showing more and more the later we get in the season. 

Also a lot went right Colson, Teel, Vargas, Sosa, Quero have all performed better than expected. Perez has pitched well in his short non injured time Houser came from nowhere as did Shane Smith, Vasil ,and Yoendrys Gomez. And we added the Pope to our squad too. Can't be all bad. 

Oh yeah, pitching isn’t a very bright spot at the moment. And they’ve sent down 40% of their OD rotation in the last couple of weeks, including the OD starter. Needs a lot of work this offseason.

[SoxBlanco]

58 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Oh yeah, pitching isn’t a very bright spot at the moment. And they’ve sent down 40% of their OD rotation in the last couple of weeks, including the OD starter. Needs a lot of work this offseason.

Speaking of pitching and the offseason, what’s the plan for Vasil next year?

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

10 hours ago, nrockway said:

tbh yea I did. he passed the vibe test. Garrett "he's never thrown 100 innings" Crochet passed the same test. so does Braden. Fauske is trending in that direction.

Plus theres a huge differnce in the parameters between thinking he was ready to be called up and being called a bust or a bum which that poster called Montgomery. Just because no one said he'd have 2.0 WAR by this time is irrelevant.

As usual the usual suspects citing anecdotal evidence of Sox being bad and wrong most of the time decided he wasn't ready. Also while that attitude is very relatable  the biases creep in.  

Nothing really separates these 2 opposing sides than our attitude towards the Sox. I'm more disappointed than angry the owner has decided his team, our team is just an asset  used only to benefit the future wealth of his family rather than his paying customers. But c'est la vie . That's life and death in a capitalist society. While many argue  they should have social and moral obligations or responsibilities to their community ,legally they are private for-profit businesses we choose to follow at our own peril.

[nrockway]

18 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Plus theres a huge differnce in the parameters between thinking he was ready to be called up and being called a bust or a bum which that poster called Montgomery. Just because no one said he'd have 2.0 WAR by this time is irrelevant.

As usual the usual suspects citing anecdotal evidence of Sox being bad and wrong most of the time decided he wasn't ready. Also while that attitude is very relatable  the biases creep in.  

Nothing really separates these 2 opposing sides than our attitude towards the Sox. I'm more disappointed than angry the owner has decided his team, our team is just an asset  used only to benefit the future wealth of his family rather than his paying customers. But c'est la vie . That's life and death in a capitalist society. While many argue  they should have social and moral obligations or responsibilities to their community ,legally they are private for-profit businesses we choose to follow at our own peril.

I was definitely irrationally optimistic about Colson. Some of the negativity was fair (not 'bum' talk which is baseless and mean-spirited to say about a nice kid). The concerns about his back are still real. I still question his ability to hit a four-seam fastball and his bat speed could evaporate if the oblique continues to bother him throughout his career.

The Crochet chatter was a different story. I recall a lot of the discussion was "how can he start, he's only thrown 73 inning in his MLB career across 3 seasons, no player has ever done that and transitioned to a starter". I think was a mis-assessment of the the new ecosystem pitchers find themselves in where there's a very good chance they have a serious injury before they even reach MLB. More subjectively, I think it was a misread of his spirit and desire to be the best.Realistically, it was probably beneficial that he threw so few innings. I read a good point a while ago about pitchers from the Midwest projecting well because it's too cold to play baseball all year round and so they've accumulated less strain on their arms trying to throw as hard as possible with little league mechanics.

We'll see about Braden, but the injury talk seemed overblown pre-draft and he has an 80 grade, heart of the city, personality. Same as Wetherholt (maybe not the same personality, I dunno). Wish we could have had both, JJ is killing it.

To your second point, c'est la vie indeed. I sorta like the Bundesliga model, the 50+1 rule that states a single entity (person or company) cannot have majority control over a team. Better prior to 1998 when teams were required to be run as not-for-profits. Bundesliga is an excellent league, although stars often leave to go play in other leagues where they'll make more money, so it isn't as competitive as the Premier League or La Liga. Evidently Bundesliga draws the largest crowds on average of the 'Big 5' leagues. Less branding. Cheaper tickets. Not perfect, Bayern has a considerably larger budget than every other team, their payroll accounts for like 25% of the whole league, but a decent model to take inspiration from. Or the Green Bay Packers obviously, a small town that nobody has ever heard of is a perpetual powerhouse. Even England has a ton of cooperatively-owned teams at the lower levels. There could be potential for that in the minor leagues, instead one singular private equity firm owns 45 MLB-affiliates which is just sickening to me. Happy Labor Day!

[WestEddy]

Monty and Meidroth with HRs in the 1st.