WestEddy Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I was responding specifically to this quote, which sounds like a guarantee to me. ”But it'll probably be a lean few years but the new DR Academy is due to open in 2026 and some of you may be around in 10 years to see Braston Basker play in a White Sox uniform and recall that we 1st heard of him in 2025 . That's already a future $6M spent out of Isbias 2030 pocket !” it's all handshake agreements right now. Nothing can be binding until he's 16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 46 minutes ago, WestEddy said: We are. I don't see a single post expressing consternation that somebody gave this team an F. There's a small bunch of "the amount of B's given is simply amazing". Again, nobody is being criticized for giving an F. That is a fact. People who gave Fs are being criticized for criticizing those who gave Bs. Big difference. Then we aren't reading the same thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 30 minutes ago, WestEddy said: it's all handshake agreements right now. Nothing can be binding until he's 16. Yes, I understand. Once again, I don’t care about the money either way. The guarantee I was referring to was expecting a 12 year old to be on the Sox in 10 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 7 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Yes, I understand. Once again, I don’t care about the money either way. The guarantee I was referring to was expecting a 12 year old to be on the Sox in 10 years. The key point is who is making these financial commitments for the future? JR or Ishbia? Because JR has never believed in operating in this manner...or is it all just a puff piece/fever dream of how things are going to eventually transform under Keller? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 32 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: The key point is who is making these financial commitments for the future? JR or Ishbia? Because JR has never believed in operating in this manner...or is it all just a puff piece/fever dream of how things are going to eventually transform under Keller? To me, that’s the most promising tidbit from this handshake agreement news with Braston Basker. The news was that the Sox are expected to sign Dominican shortstop prospect Basker for a $6 million bonus as early as January 15, 2030. As you mentioned, JR has never agreed with throwing millions at a “kid”. This seems to hint that Ishbia would be paying for this kid if Jerry agrees to sell the team to him in the first year of the agreement (2029). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrittBurnsFan Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: They are idiots then. You are down to 2/32 left for Benny. Just eat it like a real MLB franchise. Who was it that Hahn ate some decent amount of money (by White Sox standards) to release a guy a few years ago...and praised JR for allowing him to do it? Can't remember who it was though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 14 minutes ago, BrittBurnsFan said: Who was it that Hahn ate some decent amount of money (by White Sox standards) to release a guy a few years ago...and praised JR for allowing him to do it? Can't remember who it was though... Leury Garcia? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrittBurnsFan Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 20 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Leury Garcia? I think that is right...was thinking it was earlier than that embarrassing contract (wasn't that much but that guy deserved 3 years...thanks TLR!). I think you are right though...Leury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 4 minutes ago, BrittBurnsFan said: I think that is right...was thinking it was earlier than that embarrassing contract (wasn't that much but that guy deserved 3 years...thanks TLR!). I think you are right though...Leury. Keppinger and Keuchel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrittBurnsFan Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 6 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Keppinger and Keuchel Thanks...now I am thinking it was Keuchel! I am getting old fast...LOL...can't remember recent stuff...ask me about the 80s/90s White Sox stuff and I remember it like was yesterday! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 2 hours ago, WestEddy said: Keppinger and Keuchel Keppinger was a relatively minor deal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 35 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Keppinger was a relatively minor deal... lol you brought up leury Garcias 3/16.5M deal as a big one to write off, but keppingers 3/12M 10 years ago is relatively minor? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 (edited) I believe the most money the Sox have eaten was when they cut Keuchel early in the 2022 season. They had to pay him around $13.5 million remaining in the final year of his deal and a $1.5 million buyout, so around $15 million in total. Edited October 10 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrittBurnsFan Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 8 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I believe the most money the Sox have eaten was when they cut Keuchel early in the 2022 season. They had to pay him around $13.5 million remaining in the final year of his deal and a $1.5 million buyout, so around $15 million in total. Didn't Hahn state something about appreciating JR signing off on that decision so the team could move forward and get better? (paraphrase) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 F 60 win season is a total Failure 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 F 60 win season is a total Failure 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vilehoopster Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 As long as this thread has returned, I may as well put in my vote. So many good pitcher signings, bringing up talent when it was needed, a 19 win improvement. So I give Getz a B+, and before people make fun of this, the two guys on the Sox FutureSox podcast also gave him a B+ for the season; so I think their opinion give a little validity to my grade. **well, one of the FutureSox guys moved his grade down from a B+ to B because he felt Getz needed to do something about the thinning starting pitching at the end of the season with too many bullpen games. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 1 hour ago, vilehoopster said: As long as this thread has returned, I may as well put in my vote. So many good pitcher signings, bringing up talent when it was needed, a 19 win improvement. So I give Getz a B+, and before people make fun of this, the two guys on the Sox FutureSox podcast also gave him a B+ for the season; so I think their opinion give a little validity to my grade. **well, one of the FutureSox guys moved his grade down from a B+ to B because he felt Getz needed to do something about the thinning starting pitching at the end of the season with too many bullpen games. If they both gave a C or lower, their unique access to the White Sox might have been jeopardized... Hard to argue that falling from single teens for MiLB ops to 17th was a clear victory for that side of things...especially Schultz Hagen and Taylor overall having a variety of issues connected to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: If they both gave a C or lower, their unique access to the White Sox might have been jeopardized... Hard to argue that falling from single teens for MiLB ops to 17th was a clear victory for that side of things...especially Schultz Hagen and Taylor overall having a variety of issues connected to them. You mean they fell 5-6 spots? Precipitous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: You mean they fell 5-6 spots? Precipitous. More than TEN from the beginning of the off season....if you average out all the initial rankings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 19 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: More than TEN from the beginning of the off season....if you average out all the initial rankings. Wait, are you talking about OPS for total minor league systems? Like, they had a ranking at the beginning of the season for system OPS (based on what, actually?) and it fell as players were promoted to harder levels? I'd have to say that if you're complaining about that niche a stat, the Sox must be doing well everywhere else that matters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 (edited) 9 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Wait, are you talking about OPS for total minor league systems? Like, they had a ranking at the beginning of the season for system OPS (based on what, actually?) and it fell as players were promoted to harder levels? I'd have to say that if you're complaining about that niche a stat, the Sox must be doing well everywhere else that matters. That's the most totally meaningless stat ever calculated lol. 75-80% of those players will never even see the majors. You could have 27-33 former MLB vets filling up AA and AAA and accomplish absolutely nothing from a prospect standpoint...building a young foundation. I'm talking about the rating for the MiLB system at Law, Baseball America, BP, Fangraphs...the consensus during the off season across the industry was somewhere between #4-6. Edited October 12 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 17 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: That's the most totally meaningless stat ever calculated lol. 75-80% of those players will never even see the majors. You could have 27-33 former MLB vets filling up AA and AAA and accomplish absolutely nothing from a prospect standpoint...building a young foundation. I'm talking about the rating for the MiLB system at Law, Baseball America, BP, Fangraphs...the consensus during the off season across the industry was somewhere between #4-6. Oh, MiLB operations. Got it. Still, it's a listicle. Who cares? It would be nice for the team to increase the flow of prospects so that a killer trade doesn't goose them up ten spots, then graduating 2 of those players helps drop them back 8 spots, or whatnot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 3 hours ago, WestEddy said: Oh, MiLB operations. Got it. Still, it's a listicle. Who cares? It would be nice for the team to increase the flow of prospects so that a killer trade doesn't goose them up ten spots, then graduating 2 of those players helps drop them back 8 spots, or whatnot. They need to consistently be #8-12 year in and year out. They will get a big bump from #1-3 pick hopefully...but still almost nothing from international to supplement the US draft. Nobody from Asia, either. Look at the sheer number of NOBEL stars that affected AL/NLDS outcomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 35 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: They need to consistently be #8-12 year in and year out. They will get a big bump from #1-3 pick hopefully...but still almost nothing from international to supplement the US draft. Nobody from Asia, either. Look at the sheer number of NOBEL stars that affected AL/NLDS outcomes. Sure, I'll give you that. But the big bump from a top 3 pick doesn't solve their problem, which is beginning the steady flow of Hispanic talent that won't really start until 2028/2029, and participating in the Asian market, which Getz has promised a stronger presence in starting now. Nobody's arguing that they don't need international prospects and free agents. They've started making the connections they needed to in order to interact with the best talent of each class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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