CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 21 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Then let’s be the “new and improved” Pirates, assuming Passan’s recent reporting is accurate. They can at least quickly make up ground in the Central. Take your pick. Any team you want that fits the M.O. But it still won't work without Ishbia's money. It can only take you so far unless you develop 3 superstar hitters and 2 aces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Take your pick. Any team you want that fits the M.O. But it still won't work without Ishbia's money. It can only take you so far unless you develop 3 superstar hitters and 2 aces. Thought that Schultz Hagen and Taylor were supposed to result in at least 1 if not 2....if they still need two more they're not going to just go out and buy at market prices in free agency until 2029/30, well, good luck with that strategy. It seems almost a given at this point that a collegiate up the middle impact bat is the draft choice. CF would be the preference, or another SS that could capably play anywhere on the diamond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 (edited) 11 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Thought that Schultz Hagen and Taylor were supposed to result in at least 1 if not 2....if they still need two more they're not going to just go out and buy at market prices in free agency until 2029/30, well, good luck with that strategy. It seems almost a given at this point that a collegiate up the middle impact bat is the draft choice. CF would be the preference, or another SS that could capably play anywhere on the diamond. We have no idea if anyone is ace quality until it happens. We also have no idea if any of the hitting prospects will last as quality MLB hitters. As I have already stated its nearly impossible to field a successful team with just prospects without money which the Sox arent going to get from JR, without competitive balance help, which they dont qualify for , and to top it all off they will need either a new stadium or a new lease on the Rate. The Sox can't operate like a small market team because they aren't one. They don't get the same benefits as them. Getz' only job now is to pave the runway for the ownership change and not f*** things up. Just help the prospects develop and that's what he's trying to do. So far he's been able to get some results with Colson Montgomery ,Shane Smith , the Crochet trade ,made some good draft picks. He's garbage picking other arms and bats looking to develop talent lost in roster shuffles . After bottoming out as he was feeling his way through the mess I wonder if he had talks with Ishbia as well as JR about a prudent course of action to do as well as possible without much financial help. The Ishbia's seem like they want to be the next owners of the Sox but JR seems like he is calling the shots making sure his sons reap as much of a windfall as possible and leaving the Ishbia's with a stripped down franchise. But they accepted the terms so it would be great if they just let it play out and they eventually become the new owners. In the meantime nothing much happens while we all keep our eyes on the prospects. Anothe year like last year with guys like Colson , Shane Smith, Teel, Quero, Meidroth , Vasil, Vargas, Sosa Baldwin, Burke, Grant Taylor and Wikelman Gonzalez all having varying degrees of success when many had given up some of them for dead would go a long way toward fielding a team that can play more competitve baseball . Further improvement from the guys mentioned above and significant development of others could lead to another 10-20 game improvement. 75-80 wins may not seem like much but its not going backwards and brings us another year closer to new ownership and more prospects making their way up the ladder. We should get another top prospect no matter how the draft lottery shakes out in July. As much as people don't like veterans taking playing time from young players it appears to have worked well in 2025. Just eased some of them in without much pressure . Veterans performing adequately and providing an example of how to be good team mates and support each other made for a good culture in the clubhouse. Robert and Montgomery seemed to have a good bond. Lots of good stuff going on when you want to open your eyes to it. Hope is better than despair isn't it ? It's not exactly life and death . No reason for anyone to have to make up stuff to try to make everything about the Sox seem incompetent and support that narrative. Not every trades holds any significance no matter how you dissect it immediately.Things constantly change . Colson went from a great hope to a great disappointment to a great hope again. Some of us were right then wrong then right again. And we could still end up wrong again. We couldnt even speculate on Shane Smith's development because he was a Brewer prospect until he was a Rule 5 pick who became our All-Star representative while he was faltering only to rise again. This is one crazy wild , rollercoaster ride isn't it ? Sosa, Vargas, Noah Schultz, Hagen Smith, Grant Taylor, Meidroth all have seen their share of time on that ride too. Edited November 21 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 2 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: We have no idea if anyone is ace quality until it happens. We also have no idea if any of the hitting prospects will last as quality MLB hitters. As I have already stated its nearly impossible to field a successful team with just prospects without money which the Sox arent going to get from JR, without competitive balance help, which they dont qualify for , and to top it all off they will need either a new stadium or a new lease on the Rate. The Sox can't operate like a small market team because they aren't one. They don't get the same benefits as them. Getz' only job now is to pave the runway for the ownership change and not f*** things up. Just help the prospects develop and that's what he's trying to do. So far he's been able to get some results with Colson Montgomery ,Shane Smith , the Crochet trade ,made some good draft picks. He's garbage picking other arms and bats looking to develop talent lost in roster shuffles . After bottoming out as he was feeling his way through the mess I wonder if he had talks with Ishbia as well as JR about a prudent course of action to do as well as possible without much financial help. The Ishbia's seem like they want to be the next owners of the Sox but JR seems like he is calling the shots making sure his sons reap as much of a windfall as possible and leaving the Ishbia's with a stripped down franchise. But they accepted the terms so it would be great if they just let it play out and they eventually become the new owners. In the meantime nothing much happens while we all keep our eyes on the prospects. Anothe year like last year with guys like Colson , Shane Smith, Teel, Quero, Meidroth , Vasil, Vargas, Sosa Baldwin, Burke, Grant Taylor and Wikelman Gonzalez all having varying degrees of success when many had given up some of them for dead would go a long way toward fielding a team that can play more competitve baseball . Further improvement from the guys mentioned above and significant development of others could lead to another 10-20 game improvement. 75-80 wins may not seem like much but its not going backwards and brings us another year closer to new ownership and more prospects making their way up the ladder. We should get another top prospect no matter how the draft lottery shakes out in July. As much as people don't like veterans taking playing time from young players it appears to have worked well in 2025. Just eased some of them in without much pressure . Veterans performing adequately and providing an example of how to be good team mates and support each other made for a good culture in the clubhouse. Robert and Montgomery seemed to have a good bond. Lots of good stuff going on when you want to open your eyes to it. Hope is better than despair isn't it ? It's not exactly life and death . No reason for anyone to have to make up stuff to try to make everything about the Sox seem incompetent and support that narrative. Not every trades holds any significance no matter how you dissect it immediately.Things constantly change . Colson went from a great hope to a great disappointment to a great hope again. Some of us were right then wrong then right again. And we could still end up wrong again. We couldnt even speculate on Shane Smith's development because he was a Brewer prospect until he was a Rule 5 pick who became our All-Star representative while he was faltering only to rise again. This is one crazy wild , rollercoaster ride isn't it ? Sosa, Vargas, Noah Schultz, Hagen Smith, Grant Taylor, Meidroth all have seen their share of time on that ride too. It would be nice if they shared the plan with fans, because 3-4 more years of acting like a feeder team for the rest of MLB is going to get quite old…especially if the results of a prolonged labor impasse don’t seem to improve the team’s future outlook either. Even the Bulls have a puncher’s chance to make the postseason. We’re still much closer to the bottom than the top of the Central after three full seasons of this already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: It would be nice if they shared the plan with fans, because 3-4 more years of acting like a feeder team for the rest of MLB is going to get quite old…especially if the results of a prolonged labor impasse don’t seem to improve the team’s future outlook either. Even the Bulls have a puncher’s chance to make the postseason. We’re still much closer to the bottom than the top of the Central after three full seasons of this already. It is what it is. Just build the foundation and opening the avenues for acquistions home and abroad and with more open paths for talent acquisition in the DR and perhaps Asia too, then results for those efforts will start bearing fruit in a few years. By the time the Ishbia's take over there should be trickles of higher end talent from the DR making its way through the farm system. This never was going to be a fast rebuild. JR provided enough money for Getz to build a better foundation and infrastructure and a winning culture in the minors. That's the complete opposite of all his other years as owner when the focus was on the 26 man roster. Maybe that will translate to being much more competive in the division once theres also money to spend on the 26. There's no reason that the Sox can't make the playoffs on a more consistent basis in a division filled with small market teams with the Ishbias than they did under JR's miserly ownership. It's difficult for the fans because we cheer for the 26 man roster. We don't cheer for new coaches or minor leagues championships, new computers and software ,new scouts and front office personnel , slo mo cameras, new DR facilities. and Trajekt machines. The Sox haved shared those plans with the fanbase and it gets a collective sigh of "Yeah right we've heard BS like this before." Unless the changes result in consistent appearances in the playoffs we're arent interested because we have no idea how long just 1 playoff appearance will take. All we want to hear about is how big is the player payroll going to be. What else could they possibly share with the fans that's not obvious already ? Do you really think they'd hold a press conference to say the Sox aren't ever going to add any significant amount of money to player payroll while JR is still the owner. Edited November 21 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 (edited) Nice SoxMachine piece on Shomon. https://soxmachine.com/2025/11/derek-shomon-wants-to-bring-relentless-energy-to-a-hopefully-relentless-white-sox-offense Edited November 23 by WestEddy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 Well, Shomon can cuss like Don Cooper/Ozzie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 Shomon is gonna freaking love Antonacci and Braden has a little of that dog in him too, albeit with a lot more swing and miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Monday at 07:51 PM Share Posted Monday at 07:51 PM Just realized this is an old friend alert. Brandon Hyde, the Oriole manager fired earlier this year, was once a White Sox minor league catcher. He played on the 1999 Burlington Bees team that won the Midwest League Championship, that year. Mark Buehrle also pitched on that team. Due to work and family responsibilities, I found myself single a lot that summer, so I'd jump in the car, and go see the Burlington Bees or the Cubs' Lansing Lugnuts play. I made it a point to visit every stadium in the Midwest League. The most beautiful one was the home of the Quad City River Bandits, which was featured in the film Sugar. Cedar Rapids had a great, old stadium, too. I really didn't like the new ones, like Kane County, or Fort Wayne. Oh, well. Just wanted to share that realization. Rays Hire Brandon Hyde As Senior Advisor To Baseball Operations - MLB Trade Rumors 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Monday at 10:26 PM Share Posted Monday at 10:26 PM 2 hours ago, WestEddy said: Just realized this is an old friend alert. Brandon Hyde, the Oriole manager fired earlier this year, was once a White Sox minor league catcher. He played on the 1999 Burlington Bees team that won the Midwest League Championship, that year. Mark Buehrle also pitched on that team. Due to work and family responsibilities, I found myself single a lot that summer, so I'd jump in the car, and go see the Burlington Bees or the Cubs' Lansing Lugnuts play. I made it a point to visit every stadium in the Midwest League. The most beautiful one was the home of the Quad City River Bandits, which was featured in the film Sugar. Cedar Rapids had a great, old stadium, too. I really didn't like the new ones, like Kane County, or Fort Wayne. Oh, well. Just wanted to share that realization. Rays Hire Brandon Hyde As Senior Advisor To Baseball Operations - MLB Trade Rumors https://www.amazon.com/Class-Baseball-Everywhere-Lucas-Mann/dp/0307949753 Growing up in the Quad Cities, that always seemed like the most boring/average park except for the Ferris Wheel they added beyond LF for kids and the bridge/Mississippi River backdrop. Flooded way too many times though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Monday at 10:31 PM Share Posted Monday at 10:31 PM 6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: https://www.amazon.com/Class-Baseball-Everywhere-Lucas-Mann/dp/0307949753 Growing up in the Quad Cities, that always seemed like the most boring/average park except for the Ferris Wheel they added beyond LF for kids and the bridge/Mississippi River backdrop. Flooded way too many times though. The park itself could be pretty dull, I guess. That backdrop is stunning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Monday at 10:35 PM Share Posted Monday at 10:35 PM Only Georgia’s Kirby Smart would top Kiffin based on 2025 data, per USA Today, and represents a $4 million bump for his base salary with the Rebels. Kiffin’s deal includes several performance-based bonuses, as expected. Should Kiffin lead the Tigers to a national title, he has a clause that will make him the highest-paid coach in the sport, according to the report. He also can get a $4 million bonus for LSU winning the SEC and the national title in the same season, with $1 million for the SEC crown and $3 million for being the best team in the country. https://nypost.com/2025/12/01/sports/inside-lane-kiffins-91-million-lsu-contract-after-ole-miss-divorce/ Much more impressed with how Cignetti has gone about transforming Indiana and not just jumping at the first Penn State-like offer thrown at him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Monday at 10:38 PM Share Posted Monday at 10:38 PM 6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Only Georgia’s Kirby Smart would top Kiffin based on 2025 data, per USA Today, and represents a $4 million bump for his base salary with the Rebels. Kiffin’s deal includes several performance-based bonuses, as expected. Should Kiffin lead the Tigers to a national title, he has a clause that will make him the highest-paid coach in the sport, according to the report. He also can get a $4 million bonus for LSU winning the SEC and the national title in the same season, with $1 million for the SEC crown and $3 million for being the best team in the country. https://nypost.com/2025/12/01/sports/inside-lane-kiffins-91-million-lsu-contract-after-ole-miss-divorce/ Much more impressed with how Cignetti has gone about transforming Indiana and not just jumping at the first Penn State-like offer thrown at him. Sir, this is a Wendy's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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