GreenSox Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago Law: 30: Montgomery 44: Bonemer 58: Smith 66: Carlson 95: Schultz List 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago Good sign here. Law is better with positional prospects than pitching prospects IMO and he appears to be on the high end for Braden and Carlson. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted 5 hours ago Author Share Posted 5 hours ago I’m not sure what I should/allowed to post. But “Carlson is an electric defender at shortstop with an 80 arm and surprising power for someone who has barely begun to fill out his frame, coming into pro ball with a high floor thanks to that combination and the upside of a frequent All-Star if the White Sox can help him get to more contact with some swing changes.” Law List Athletic 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, GreenSox said: I’m not sure what I should/allowed to post. But “Carlson is an electric defender at shortstop with an 80 arm and surprising power for someone who has barely begun to fill out his frame, coming into pro ball with a high floor thanks to that combination and the upside of a frequent All-Star if the White Sox can help him get to more contact with some swing changes.” Law List Athletic This is why I don’t get the complaints about the Carlson pick before he’s even entered full season ball. The defense has a chance to be truly elite and there is plenty of offensive upside including some legit power potential. At the 1.10, I’m not sure what else you could ask for us. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, GreenSox said: I’m not sure what I should/allowed to post. But “Carlson is an electric defender at shortstop with an 80 arm and surprising power for someone who has barely begun to fill out his frame, coming into pro ball with a high floor thanks to that combination and the upside of a frequent All-Star if the White Sox can help him get to more contact with some swing changes.” Law List Athletic He seems like a guy that 1/4 the time turns into a borderline AS, 2 time out of 4 turns into a weak starter or solid utility guy and of course the other 1/4 just never hits enough to make MLB. Not a bad projection at that draft spot, agree with @Chicago White Sox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 25 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: This is why I don’t get the complaints about the Carlson pick before he’s even entered full season ball. The defense has a chance to be truly elite and there is plenty of offensive upside including some legit power potential. At the 1.10, I’m not sure what else you could ask for us. I seem to remember this being an issue with Zach Collins, reading that it's a difficult thing to fix, and the Sox eventually couldn't Quote At the plate, he loads his hands very deep, creating an arm bar that causes his hands to get a bit lost in back. His timing getting to the zone is not consistent and it’s hard for him to meet the ball out front to drive it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago he had a big time hitch in his swing when drafted. hopefully they can get his hands through the zone quicker or he'll never hit enough to be more than a utility player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 14 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: he had a big time hitch in his swing when drafted. hopefully they can get his hands through the zone quicker or he'll never hit enough to be more than a utility player. Young enough to get this fixed over the next couple years hopefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 2 hours ago, WestEddy said: I seem to remember this being an issue with Zach Collins, reading that it's a difficult thing to fix, and the Sox eventually couldn't It's really hard to fix, as you're rebuilding a significant timing mechanism in their swing. Burger had the same issue but he made it work for a while. I think big leg kicks are hard to fix for a similar reason. 2 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: He seems like a guy that 1/4 the time turns into a borderline AS, 2 time out of 4 turns into a weak starter or solid utility guy and of course the other 1/4 just never hits enough to make MLB. Not a bad projection at that draft spot, agree with @Chicago White Sox Dansby Swanson is a comp for Carlson on the high end and I wouldn't mind that at all. Edited 1 hour ago by almagest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 2 minutes ago, almagest said: It's really hard to fix, as you're rebuilding a significant timing mechanism in their swing. Burger had the same issue but he made it work for a while. Dansby Swanson is a comp for Carlson on the high end and I wouldn't mind that at all. I hear his description and I instantly thought of Royce Clayton, wherein on the years that his bat carried, he was one of the better SS's in the game, but when it couldn't the glove did the talking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I hear his description and I instantly thought of Royce Clayton, wherein on the years that his bat carried, he was one of the better SS's in the game, but when it couldn't the glove did the talking. He was putrid hitting on the White Sox but still had value because of his defense. Still don't like getting rid of Valentin for him, even though Valentin was just about done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 3 minutes ago, almagest said: He was putrid hitting on the White Sox but still had value because of his defense. Still don't like getting rid of Valentin for him, even though Valentin was just about done. Yeah, I don't even mean it as a real comp, but more of the poster child for a stud defender that you hope his bat catches up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Yeah, I don't even mean it as a real comp, but more of the poster child for a stud defender that you hope his bat catches up with. If the median outcome is Royce Clayton that's a pretty good trade chip, or super utility defense guy. I'd be content with that outcome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted 1 hour ago Author Share Posted 1 hour ago 12 minutes ago, almagest said: If the median outcome is Royce Clayton that's a pretty good trade chip, or super utility defense guy. I'd be content with that outcome. I wouldn't be; we'll never get anywhere if high draft choices can't hit. We need solid regulars, if not all stars. William Bergola is a really good defender. Defensive SSs aren't that hard to find. Ones that can hit are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted 37 minutes ago Share Posted 37 minutes ago 32 minutes ago, GreenSox said: I wouldn't be; we'll never get anywhere if high draft choices can't hit. We need solid regulars, if not all stars. William Bergola is a really good defender. Defensive SSs aren't that hard to find. Ones that can hit are. Average WAR for the 10th pick in the draft is ~5.5. Clayton had 19.5 bWAR/18.2 fWAR. He would be a great outcome for Carlson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted 31 minutes ago Share Posted 31 minutes ago 1 hour ago, almagest said: He was putrid hitting on the White Sox but still had value because of his defense. Still don't like getting rid of Valentin for him, even though Valentin was just about done. I still remember someone describing that exchange as the White Sox replacing a guy who would run through a wall for his teammates with a guy who complained about them putting a wall there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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