WestEddy Posted Saturday at 07:54 PM Share Posted Saturday at 07:54 PM (edited) On 3/11/2026 at 4:55 PM, SkokieSox said: Covid killed many people, sorry for your loss. But that doesn’t give credibility to the vaccine rolled out. Something bad happening doesn’t give you or the government control of someone’s freedoms or autonomy. Still condescending. "Sorry for your loss...but"?!? No, the deaths don't give "credibility" to the vaccines. Extensive testing on mRNA does give it credibility. That's great that you can type sentences. The government does have the right to mandate vaccines in an emergency. This was established in Jacobsen vs. Massachusetts and has been upheld numerous times. Caulfield also cited an example. In normal times, about 8400 people die each day in the US. At its height, 8100 people were dying daily of COVID. That's not "something bad happening". That was the normal daily death toll practically doubling due to a pandemic that was spreading across the world in a matter of weeks. Do you see how you minimizing deaths just to make some ill-conceived point can be considered condescending? Edited Saturday at 07:57 PM by WestEddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Saturday at 08:49 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:49 PM On 3/11/2026 at 5:55 PM, SkokieSox said: Covid killed many people, sorry for your loss. But that doesn’t give credibility to the vaccine rolled out. Something bad happening doesn’t give you or the government control of someone’s freedoms or autonomy. We saved probably millions of lives. This isn't "something bad". It's 1 in 350 Americans dead. We go to war for MUCH less and give away those related freedoms every day. Also you don't have the freedom to kill other people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Saturday at 09:10 PM Share Posted Saturday at 09:10 PM (edited) 21 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: We saved probably millions of lives. This isn't "something bad". It's 1 in 350 Americans dead. We go to war for MUCH less and give away those related freedoms every day. Also you don't have the freedom to kill other people. History will/might judge numerous countries around the world for the economic fallout from those lockdown decisions skeptically (inflation or the loss of commercial real estate)...but it certainly felt like the right thing to do those first 3-4 months. Millions of mostly older peoples' lives, those with pre existing conditions were definitely at risk. The US nursing home situation hit home particularly hard...and it didn't discriminate by nation, Hong Kong and NY suffered equally. The worst part was the relentless uncertainty of yo-yoing back and forth for another two years (online teaching was fun and then it just became extra work and training teaching two classes at once)...and seeing empathy die out for one's fellow human beings, even the guinea pigs and countless cherished personal pets were massacred here in China. Hopefully that sense of human empathy that disappeared behind faceless white suits...treating neighbors like cattle, never returns again. Edited Saturday at 09:14 PM by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted 54 minutes ago Share Posted 54 minutes ago On 3/9/2026 at 5:13 PM, SkokieSox said: I’m against forced mandates requiring injections. Then don’t live in a society. I don’t know what you guys are so paranoid about. Does the pokey needle hurt or something? It’s a very egotistical and selfish perspective to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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