On 3/11/2026 at 4:55 PM, SkokieSox said:

Covid killed many people, sorry for your loss. But that doesn’t give credibility to the vaccine rolled out. Something bad happening doesn’t give you or the government control of someone’s freedoms or autonomy.

Still condescending. "Sorry for your loss...but"?!?

No, the deaths don't give "credibility" to the vaccines. Extensive testing on mRNA does give it credibility. That's great that you can type sentences. The government does have the right to mandate vaccines in an emergency. This was established in Jacobsen vs. Massachusetts and has been upheld numerous times. Caulfield also cited an example. In normal times, about 8400 people die each day in the US. At its height, 8100 people were dying daily of COVID. That's not "something bad happening". That was the normal daily death toll practically doubling due to a pandemic that was spreading across the world in a matter of weeks. 

Do you see how you minimizing deaths just to make some ill-conceived point can be considered condescending? 

Edited March 14Mar 14 by WestEddy

On 3/11/2026 at 5:55 PM, SkokieSox said:

Covid killed many people, sorry for your loss. But that doesn’t give credibility to the vaccine rolled out. Something bad happening doesn’t give you or the government control of someone’s freedoms or autonomy.

We saved probably millions of lives.  This isn't "something bad".  It's 1 in 350 Americans dead.  We go to war for MUCH less and give away those related freedoms every day.  Also you don't have the freedom to kill other people. 

21 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

We saved probably millions of lives.  This isn't "something bad".  It's 1 in 350 Americans dead.  We go to war for MUCH less and give away those related freedoms every day.  Also you don't have the freedom to kill other people. 

History will/might judge numerous countries around the world for the economic fallout from those lockdown decisions skeptically (inflation or the loss of commercial real estate)...but it certainly felt like the right thing to do those first 3-4 months. 

Millions of mostly older peoples' lives, those with pre existing conditions were definitely at risk.  The US nursing home situation hit home particularly hard...and it didn't discriminate by nation, Hong Kong and NY suffered equally.

The worst part was the relentless uncertainty of yo-yoing back and forth for another two years (online teaching was fun and then it just became extra work and training teaching two classes at once)...and seeing empathy die out for one's fellow human beings, even the guinea pigs and countless cherished personal pets were massacred here in China.

Hopefully that sense of human empathy that disappeared behind faceless white suits...treating neighbors like cattle, never returns again.

Edited March 14Mar 14 by caulfield12

On 3/9/2026 at 5:13 PM, SkokieSox said:

I’m against forced mandates requiring injections. 

Then don’t live in a society. I don’t know what you guys are so paranoid about. Does the pokey needle hurt or something? It’s a very egotistical and selfish perspective to have. 

15 hours ago, nrockway said:

Then don’t live in a society. I don’t know what you guys are so paranoid about. Does the pokey needle hurt or something? It’s a very egotistical and selfish perspective to have. 

Naive take

25 minutes ago, SkokieSox said:

Naive take

Switzerland...wouldn't that be a better choice, as a country with libertarianism as a value system?

 

When you combine measures of personal freedom and economic freedom, the “ sensible nation ” of** Switzerland** is at the top of the rankings.

 

https://charleslajoie.substack.com/p/the-10-most-libertarian-places-on

Edited March 17Mar 17 by caulfield12

9 hours ago, SkokieSox said:

Naive take

Naive is thinking your feelings are more important than the lives of others.  

7 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Naive is thinking your feelings are more important than the lives of others.  

Naive is taking government narratives to heart when the data signifies a failed gene therapy hurting more than it helps.

1 hour ago, SkokieSox said:

Naive is taking government narratives to heart when the data signifies a failed gene therapy hurting more than it helps.

Naive is believing zero populationists propaganda when they really want you to die.

1 hour ago, SkokieSox said:

Naive is taking government narratives to heart when the data signifies a failed gene therapy hurting more than it helps.

You've basically dropped below The Food Babe in credibility.

50 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Naive is believing zero populationists propaganda when they really want you to die.

Still alive and kicking

12 hours ago, SkokieSox said:

Still alive and kicking

As are the billions and billions of vaccinated people on this planet.

4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

As are the billions and billions of vaccinated people on this planet.

A then-friend told me he was certain the vaccine was gonna turn people into straight up zombies. Like, classic movie zombies.

We're not friends anymore cause he went fucking crazy after buying into that conspiracy theory. But suffice to say, he was wrong.

15 hours ago, SkokieSox said:

Naive is taking government narratives to heart when the data signifies a failed gene therapy hurting more than it helps.

The number of people who died with any link to the vaccines number in the "dozens". About half of those stemmed from the J&J vaccine. This is of the 260-270 million Americans who were vaccinated.

I find it weird that the Vaccine Babes who shrug off 8100 people dying from COVID every single day try to play up the 20 or so people who died from blood clots or myocarditis (over the last 6 years) due to the various vaccines - as not being worth the risk. Mass vaccinations were effective. The daily death toll from COVID dropped from a peak of around 8100 daily to somewhere between 1500-2500 daily at the peak of Omicron over the winter of 2021/2022. It wasn't until Paxlovid became accepted as a treatment that the numbers dropped off precipitously to under 100 a day.

I get vaccinated twice a year due to my own health issues. COVID does not inspire a strong, lasting immune response, and neither do the various vaccines. However, 6 months out of my last COVID shot, my anti-bodies were as high as somebody who had recently had COVID. Anecdotal, I know, but just throwing that out for info.

mRNA technology has been with us over 30 years and has been thoroughly tested. Nobody credible believes mRNA is "failed". And vaguely referring to "the data" detracts from your argument rather than supports. mRNA tech is being used in the development of next generation cancer and rare disease therapies.

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

As are the billions and billions of vaccinated people on this planet.

Not all of them

2 minutes ago, SkokieSox said:

Not all of them

Duh, that's why millions are still dying of preventable diseases and geniuses have brought things like smallpox and measles back to life.

42 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

The number of people who died with any link to the vaccines number in the "dozens". About half of those stemmed from the J&J vaccine. This is of the 260-270 million Americans who were vaccinated.

I find it weird that the Vaccine Babes who shrug off 8100 people dying from COVID every single day try to play up the 20 or so people who died from blood clots or myocarditis (over the last 6 years) due to the various vaccines - as not being worth the risk. Mass vaccinations were effective. The daily death toll from COVID dropped from a peak of around 8100 daily to somewhere between 1500-2500 daily at the peak of Omicron over the winter of 2021/2022. It wasn't until Paxlovid became accepted as a treatment that the numbers dropped off precipitously to under 100 a day.

I get vaccinated twice a year due to my own health issues. COVID does not inspire a strong, lasting immune response, and neither do the various vaccines. However, 6 months out of my last COVID shot, my anti-bodies were as high as somebody who had recently had COVID. Anecdotal, I know, but just throwing that out for info.

mRNA technology has been with us over 30 years and has been thoroughly tested. Nobody credible believes mRNA is "failed". And vaguely referring to "the data" detracts from your argument rather than supports. mRNA tech is being used in the development of next generation cancer and rare disease therapies.

No one credible, except the inventor of the technology, Robert Malone

2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Duh, that's why millions are still dying of preventable diseases and geniuses have brought things like smallpox and measles back to life.

If you say so

Just now, SkokieSox said:

If you say so

No, I don't say so, because I have science behind me.

36 minutes ago, SkokieSox said:

No one credible, except the inventor of the technology, Robert Malone

1) He didn't "invent" the technology. He was involved in early experiments that proved mRNA information could be delivered into cells using lipid fats.
2) His claims about the vaccines (which he had nothing to do with developing, beyond being involved in early experiments of mRNA tech) are refuted by the scientific and medical communities. He offers no evidence for his claims, either.
3) Malone's erroneous claims about vaccines have nothing to do with greater mRNA tech, as you claim.
4) A guy making unsubstantiated claims in area he has no expertise or experience in is not credible.

Again, you're not even offering an argument. It's all "Food Babe" nonsense: Misinterpretation or misrepresentation of actual scientific findings or misreading of the Constitution. I'm sure you're readying that old saw about the entire Earth conspiring to perpetuate some sort of lie. I'm just disappointed that you're exposing yourself as so unknowledgeable for nothing but the sport of obstinance. At least Food Babe hawks a supplement line she allegedly makes money from.

I get it. You don't like being told what to do. But the Constitution laughs at your claims it protects you from the requirements of participating in society.

1 hour ago, SkokieSox said:

If you say so

What are you even doing? Measles was at elimination in the US, meaning that there were zero new cases in the entire country for 12 month periods, with new cases only being introduced by foreign travelers with no access to the measles vaccine. Now, because of the current anti-vaxx movements, there are outbreaks all over the country. South Carolina enjoys a 1000 case outbreak. This is all easily verifiable. Nobody is making up these numbers. They are real.

Because of vaccination programs, Smallpox has been eradicated worldwide. However, closely related diseases, like monkeypox, have reached epidemic proportions in the US due to the elimination of the Smallpox vaccine.

But you talk about the dangers of COVID vaccines "hurting more than they have helped". In the current measles outbreaks, they're seeing one death per 300-1000 cases. With the COVID vaccine, they've seen about 1 death per 100 million doses. Again, weird that anti-vaxxers are concerned about deaths that occur at a 1 per 100 million rate, but shrug at a 1 in 300-1000 rate. Why is that? Why do Vaccine Babes minimize death when it comes to a disease ripping through a population, but then scream about the 15 people out of 260 million vaccinated in the US who died due to complications? Is it somehow more noble for thousands to die every day in a pandemic rather than 15 due to mass vaccination?

Explain it to me like I'm a 5-year-old infected with measles.

Edited Wednesday at 04:20 PM4 days by WestEddy

6 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

What are you even doing? Measles was near eradication, meaning that there were zero new cases in the entire country for 12 month periods, with new cases only being introduced by foreign travelers with no access to the measles vaccine. Now, because of the current anti-vaxx movements, there are outbreaks all over the country. South Carolina enjoys a 1000 case outbreak. This is all easily verifiable. Nobody is making up these numbers. They are real.

Because of vaccination programs, Smallpox has been eradicated worldwide. However, closely related diseases, like monkeypox, have reached epidemic proportions in the US due to the elimination of the Smallpox vaccine.

But you talk about the dangers of COVID vaccines "hurting more than they have helped". In the current measles outbreaks, they're seeing one death per 300-1000 cases. With the COVID vaccine, they've seen about 1 death per 100 million doses. Again, weird that anti-vaxxers are concerned about deaths that occur at a 1 per 100 million rate, but shrug at a 1 in 300-1000 rate. Why is that? Why do Vaccine Babes minimize death when it comes to a disease ripping through a population, but then scream about the 15 people out of 260 million vaccinated in the US who died due to complications? Is it somehow more noble for thousands to die every day in a pandemic rather than 15 due to mass vaccination?

Explain it to me like I'm a 5-year-old infected with measles.

West: You just have to realize that apparently cousins shouldn't be allow to marry with the way some of these individuals are reacting and posting bizarre opinions.

7 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

West: You just have to realize that apparently cousins shouldn't be allow to marry with the way some of these individuals are reacting and posting bizarre opinions.

We all had a lot of time on our hands back in 2020. I chose to read up a bunch on diseases and outbreaks. Typhoid Mary was an interesting case. She presented as an asymptomatic Typhoid carrier. They finally found her to be the source of a few outbreaks with a job as a family cook, and she was quarantined in 1907 on North Brother Island in New York's East River. She was eventually released on the stipulation she report quarterly, and not take any cooking jobs, apparently because she wouldn't wash her hands after taking a crap, and that's how the disease spread.

She did take cooking jobs and created another outbreak in 1915 of 25 cases that took 2 lives. Some hired a lawyer to end her incarceration, but the judge ruled based on the SC ruling of Jacobson vs. Massachusetts that the state had the right to forcibly quarantine her for the public safety until her death in the 1930s.

I realize that SkokieSox is trolling, at this point, but many, myself included, just don't find the subject funny.

4 hours ago, WestEddy said:

1) He didn't "invent" the technology. He was involved in early experiments that proved mRNA information could be delivered into cells using lipid fats.
2) His claims about the vaccines (which he had nothing to do with developing, beyond being involved in early experiments of mRNA tech) are refuted by the scientific and medical communities. He offers no evidence for his claims, either.
3) Malone's erroneous claims about vaccines have nothing to do with greater mRNA tech, as you claim.
4) A guy making unsubstantiated claims in area he has no expertise or experience in is not credible.

Again, you're not even offering an argument. It's all "Food Babe" nonsense: Misinterpretation or misrepresentation of actual scientific findings or misreading of the Constitution. I'm sure you're readying that old saw about the entire Earth conspiring to perpetuate some sort of lie. I'm just disappointed that you're exposing yourself as so unknowledgeable for nothing but the sport of obstinance. At least Food Babe hawks a supplement line she allegedly makes money from.

I get it. You don't like being told what to do. But the Constitution laughs at your claims it protects you from the requirements of participating in society.

👍

3 hours ago, WestEddy said:

We all had a lot of time on our hands back in 2020. I chose to read up a bunch on diseases and outbreaks. Typhoid Mary was an interesting case. She presented as an asymptomatic Typhoid carrier. They finally found her to be the source of a few outbreaks with a job as a family cook, and she was quarantined in 1907 on North Brother Island in New York's East River. She was eventually released on the stipulation she report quarterly, and not take any cooking jobs, apparently because she wouldn't wash her hands after taking a crap, and that's how the disease spread.

She did take cooking jobs and created another outbreak in 1915 of 25 cases that took 2 lives. Some hired a lawyer to end her incarceration, but the judge ruled based on the SC ruling of Jacobson vs. Massachusetts that the state had the right to forcibly quarantine her for the public safety until her death in the 1930s.

I realize that SkokieSox is trolling, at this point, but many, myself included, just don't find the subject funny.

Not trolling. Replying to everyone that’s offended that I don’t take experimental vaccines and why they think I should be forced to take them.