14 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Let’s be honest, Getz is throwing s%*# at the wall already two weeks into the season. That’s how bad Getz built this roster. Your starting rotation should not need to be dissected two weeks into the season. That’s called failure.

what do you mean dissected? Burke, Martin, Fedde and Kay all look fine. Venable said only the first time through was going be a ramping up period. I know you love to call everything Sox related a failure before it even gets started. The rotation will probably be Schultz, McDougal, Hagen Smith and 2 others by August. That was the plan. Paez was quickly jettisoned, and they have replacements. Shane Smith needs work, and they have a half dozen prospects at AAA to step in for him, not 38-year-old AAAA dudes.

Really, you could certainly pretend that 4 positional starters getting injured 2 weeks in was bad planning. The rotation looks fine, and working as planned. That's called a good job of roster building.

7 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

what do you mean dissected? Burke, Martin, Fedde and Kay all look fine. Venable said only the first time through was going be a ramping up period. I know you love to call everything Sox related a failure before it even gets started. The rotation will probably be Schultz, McDougal, Hagen Smith and 2 others by August. That was the plan. Paez was quickly jettisoned, and they have replacements. Shane Smith needs work, and they have a half dozen prospects at AAA to step in for him, not 38-year-old AAAA dudes.

Really, you could certainly pretend that 4 positional starters getting injured 2 weeks in was bad planning. The rotation looks fine, and working as planned. That's called a good job of roster building.

The only question I have for you is…

If the Sox lose 100+ games again this season, will you finally admit that Chris Getz is a buster?

Edited yesterday at 05:00 AM1 day by WhiteSox2023

31 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

The only question I have for you is…

If the Sox lose 100+ games again this season, will you finally admit that Chris Getz is a buster?

No.

They lost 100 games last year, and the team in the 2nd half was night and day compared to the first half. If they wind up 62-100, and Hagen Smith, Schultz and McDougal are in the rotation? Mune, Colson, Teel, Ant-Man, Vargs, Meidroth, Quero and maybe Pereira or Acuña are productive, that's a great core to add to.

34 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

No.

They lost 100 games last year, and the team in the 2nd half was night and day compared to the first half. If they wind up 62-100, and Hagen Smith, Schultz and McDougal are in the rotation? Mune, Colson, Teel, Ant-Man, Vargs, Meidroth, Quero and maybe Pereira or Acuña are productive, that's a great core to add to.

So how’s about 100+ losses in 2027?

Edited yesterday at 06:08 AM1 day by WhiteSox2023

42 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

No.

They lost 100 games last year, and the team in the 2nd half was night and day compared to the first half. If they wind up 62-100, and Hagen Smith, Schultz and McDougal are in the rotation? Mune, Colson, Teel, Ant-Man, Vargs, Meidroth, Quero and maybe Pereira or Acuña are productive, that's a great core to add to.

It wouldn't be shocking if NONE of those positional players are starting with the White Sox in 2028.

Teel is probably where I would place my bet.

McDougal is likely to end up in the bullpen with Taylor.

Mune will be traded if he excels...or be another Benintendi if he flops.

Ishbia bucks aren't suddenly going to materialize to extend him.

And injuries were the excuse last April as well.

Hays was a shocker to no one who studied his injury history since 2020. Baldwin was a freak injury for a positional player and Teel will be fine.

You're acting like the Sox are Toronto and missing four frontline starting pitchers from their rotation the first month.

Edited yesterday at 06:24 AM1 day by caulfield12

23 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

No.

They lost 100 games last year, and the team in the 2nd half was night and day compared to the first half. If they wind up 62-100, and Hagen Smith, Schultz and McDougal are in the rotation? Mune, Colson, Teel, Ant-Man, Vargs, Meidroth, Quero and maybe Pereira or Acuña are productive, that's a great core to add to.

Not sure how long it will take to work those pitchers into the rotation but the outlook for our pitching staff is promising and exciting. Noah is a monster - 6' 11". If Noah can be a TOR starter instead of say Shane Smith, that alone could potentially add some wins. Smith has thrown away two games already.

IMO our infield (Vargas Colson, Chase, Mune and Teel) is one of the best if not the best infield we have had since 2005. Maybe envision an outfield with Antonacci, Periera and Braden Montgomery instead of the players that are cycling in and out of the outfield now and things could look a little brighter for Sox fans.

As it is, some fans are wishing the team gets sold now and even wishing JR passes away every time the Sox lose a game. I mean, I get as upset as anyone when the Sox lose a close game, but come on people, let's put some perspective on things and try to stay positive.

Edited yesterday at 06:23 AM1 day by tray

4 minutes ago, tray said:

Not sure how long it will take to wprk those pitchers into the rotation but the outlook for our pitching staff is promising and exciting. Noah is a monster - 6' 11". If Noah can be a TOR starter instead of say Shane Smith, that alone could potentially add some wins. Smith has thrown away two games already.

IMO our infield (Vargas Colson, Chase, Mune and Teel) is one of the best if not the best infield we have had since 2005. Maybe envision an outfield with Antonacci, Periera and Braden Montgomery instead of the players that are cycling in and out of the outfield now and things could look a little brighter for Sox fans.

As it is, some fans are wishing the team gets sold now and even wishing JR passes away every time the Sox lose a game. I mean, I get as uposetr as anyone when the Sox lose a close game, but come on people, put some perspective on things.

We were ten+ deep with legit starting prospects (Rauch the best) 25 years ago and only Buehrle and Garland really stuck. Kip Wells had a decent career, mostly with Pitt. Clear Baseball America #1 class.

Or 2017-19 they had Gio Kopech Reynaldo Cease Dunning and Rodon was already there. BA #1-2 class.

Both examples multiples of talent more than they currently possess.

And, if Schultz becomes a healthy frontline TOR starter, there's pretty much zero existing evidence from the last decade that Jerry Reinsdorf would even extend him.

2 hours ago, tray said:

Not sure how long it will take to work those pitchers into the rotation but the outlook for our pitching staff is promising and exciting. Noah is a monster - 6' 11". If Noah can be a TOR starter instead of say Shane Smith, that alone could potentially add some wins. Smith has thrown away two games already.

IMO our infield (Vargas Colson, Chase, Mune and Teel) is one of the best if not the best infield we have had since 2005. Maybe envision an outfield with Antonacci, Periera and Braden Montgomery instead of the players that are cycling in and out of the outfield now and things could look a little brighter for Sox fans.

As it is, some fans are wishing the team gets sold now and even wishing JR passes away every time the Sox lose a game. I mean, I get as upset as anyone when the Sox lose a close game, but come on people, let's put some perspective on things and try to stay positive.

They could have a promising rotation and lineup. The problem is that we all know that Jerry won’t spend enough to supplement the team and make it a legitimate contender when the time comes if he is still the owner. This is why the majority of Sox fans are hoping for new ownership by 2029.

Edited yesterday at 08:45 AM1 day by WhiteSox2023

8 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

It wouldn't be shocking if NONE of those positional players are starting with the White Sox in 2028.

Teel is probably where I would place my bet.

McDougal is likely to end up in the bullpen with Taylor.

Mune will be traded if he excels...or be another Benintendi if he flops.

Ishbia bucks aren't suddenly going to materialize to extend him.

And injuries were the excuse last April as well.

Hays was a shocker to no one who studied his injury history since 2020. Baldwin was a freak injury for a positional player and Teel will be fine.

You're acting like the Sox are Toronto and missing four frontline starting pitchers from their rotation the first month.

No, you're projecting. I'm simply comparing this team to last year's 2nd half.

8 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

We were ten+ deep with legit starting prospects (Rauch the best) 25 years ago and only Buehrle and Garland really stuck. Kip Wells had a decent career, mostly with Pitt. Clear Baseball America #1 class.

Or 2017-19 they had Gio Kopech Reynaldo Cease Dunning and Rodon was already there. BA #1-2 class.

Both examples multiples of talent more than they currently possess.

And, if Schultz becomes a healthy frontline TOR starter, there's pretty much zero existing evidence from the last decade that Jerry Reinsdorf would even extend him.

Yes there is.

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

Yes there is.

Which pitcher received a contract extension buying out even one free agent year?

Lynn and Keuchel are as close as you get on players brought in from the outside front.

Rodon was let go without a QO. Gio traded. Cease traded. Crochet traded. Kopech traded. Reynaldo dumped.

30 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Which pitcher received a contract extension buying out even one free agent year?

Lynn and Keuchel are as close as you get on players brought in from the outside front.

Rodon was let go without a QO. Gio traded. Cease traded. Crochet traded. Kopech traded. Reynaldo dumped.

Both Sale and Quintana. Buehrle was either extended, or allowed to go to free agency and matched, once. Danks was famously extended. Floyd pitched past 6 full years for the Sox, and I'm sure one of them wasn't for free. They also had talks with Samardzija and Giolito; both were set on testing out free agency.

Y'all carp on about "historically..." There is a precedent for the White Sox under JR for extending pitchers.

Edited 19 hours ago19 hr by WestEddy

Both Giolito and Kopech have not signed with anybody this off season. I heard that Giolito wants a 2 year contract. I've heard nothing about Kopech. Is Kopech retired? I wonder what happened to Tim Andersen. He seems to have disappeared. I wonder if hes playing in Japan.

Edited 19 hours ago19 hr by WBWSF

7 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

Both Giolito and Kopech have not signed with anybody this off season. I heard that Giolito wants a 2 year contract. I've heard nothing about Kopech. Is Kopech retired? I wonder what happened to Tim Andersen. He seems to have disappeared. I wonder if hes playing in Japan.

I thought Kopech was still injured...as far as Anderson I haven't heard of him signing anywhere. He's probably toast.

43 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

Both Giolito and Kopech have not signed with anybody this off season. I heard that Giolito wants a 2 year contract. I've heard nothing about Kopech. Is Kopech retired? I wonder what happened to Tim Andersen. He seems to have disappeared. I wonder if hes playing in Japan.

The best GM candidates have answers and strong opinions for all of these questions.

3 hours ago, WestEddy said:

Both Sale and Quintana. Buehrle was either extended, or allowed to go to free agency and matched, once. Danks was famously extended. Floyd pitched past 6 full years for the Sox, and I'm sure one of them wasn't for free. They also had talks with Samardzija and Giolito; both were set on testing out free agency.

Y'all carp on about "historically..." There is a precedent for the White Sox under JR for extending pitchers.

That isn't in the last decade though.

And they screwed Lucas over some pittance like $25-50000 in salary arb, because he was the player rep and playing an outsized role in union negotiations.

12 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

That isn't in the last decade though.

And they screwed Lucas over some pittance like $25-50000 in salary arb, because he was the player rep and playing an outsized role in union negotiations.

Then say that initially and stop moving the goalposts. You say s%*# you know isn't correct, then keep throwing sand to obscure your obvious error.

4 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Which pitcher received a contract extension buying out even one free agent year?

Lynn and Keuchel are as close as you get on players brought in from the outside front.

Rodon was let go without a QO. Gio traded. Cease traded. Crochet traded. Kopech traded. Reynaldo dumped.

You're not even making a point. Yes, they extended Lynn. Neither Kopech or Lopez warranted it, and Giolito and Cease were going to do free agency. Do you suggest they give Jon Cannon 7/200 just to say they did?

4 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

You're not even making a point. Yes, they extended Lynn. Neither Kopech or Lopez warranted it, and Giolito and Cease were going to do free agency. Do you suggest they give Jon Cannon 7/200 just to say they did?

Yeah sure Rodon Cease Crochet and Giolito didn't merit extensions.

How do you know they weren't at least considering staying if there was a legit offer ???

Even Reynaldo has gotten paid since. Sox couldn't figure out what to do with him.

58 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Yeah sure Rodon Cease Crochet and Giolito didn't merit extensions.

How do you know they weren't at least considering staying if there was a legit offer ???

Even Reynaldo has gotten paid since. Sox couldn't figure out what to do with him.

The Sox were talking to Giolito, and it never got close. When the team was losing 100 games in 2023, do you think they should have started extending that core who could never string two good seasons together? The Sox figured out putting Lopez in the bullpen, then traded him.

All of this is a distraction from the main point that the White Sox have extended their pitchers when they're winning, and to suggest they never do that is trollish BS.

2 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

The Sox were talking to Giolito, and it never got close. When the team was losing 100 games in 2023, do you think they should have started extending that core who could never string two good seasons together? The Sox figured out putting Lopez in the bullpen, then traded him.

All of this is a distraction from the main point that the White Sox have extended their pitchers when they're winning, and to suggest they never do that is trollish BS.

The last decade of Sox baseball is complete and utter bs.

JR himself said no more long term extensions after Danks imploded.

He has been true to his word.

The longest contracts have been Lynn and Keuchel.

You're the only one who still wants to reward Getz with a contract extension...you realize that? And Cali, maybe?

Edited 14 hours ago14 hr by caulfield12

53 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

The last decade of Sox baseball is complete and utter bs.

JR himself said no more long term extensions after Danks imploded.

He has been true to his word.

The longest contracts have been Lynn and Keuchel.

You're the only one who still wants to reward Getz with a contract extension...you realize that? And Cali, maybe?

They extended Lynn after Danks. I don't think they should be giving 10-year deals to pitchers, either.

1 minute ago, WestEddy said:

They extended Lynn after Danks. I don't think they should be giving 10-year deals to pitchers, either.

4-6 years is the going rate for the rest of mlb.

They can also claw back money through insurance...like SD with Darvish.

3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

4-6 years is the going rate for the rest of mlb.

They can also claw back money through insurance...like SD with Darvish.

So why do you need the Sox to do more than what the rest of the league normally does?

18 hours ago, WestEddy said:

what do you mean dissected? Burke, Martin, Fedde and Kay all look fine. Venable said only the first time through was going be a ramping up period. I know you love to call everything Sox related a failure before it even gets started. The rotation will probably be Schultz, McDougal, Hagen Smith and 2 others by August. That was the plan. Paez was quickly jettisoned, and they have replacements. Shane Smith needs work, and they have a half dozen prospects at AAA to step in for him, not 38-year-old AAAA dudes.

Really, you could certainly pretend that 4 positional starters getting injured 2 weeks in was bad planning. The rotation looks fine, and working as planned. That's called a good job of roster building.

Dissected, or manipulating the rotation. You really think Getz’s plan was to make this many changes to the pitching staff just two weeks into the season?

Edited 13 hours ago13 hr by WhiteSox2023