50 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Wow. Can you elaborate on what they did?
He sure hasn't seemed what I expected (even given rookie ups and downs)

I’d recommend reading the Sox Machine article above. It goes through this in detail with quotes from both Noah & Bove. Just sounds like they tinkered way too much and added a ton of complexity to his arsenal.

Great to see Shelton turning the corner at AA. He had some great batted ball data in High A and I was fairly optimistic about him. AA is a huge step and you don’t always see guys like Boston Smith get there and hit from day 1.

If you want to raise your OPS from .649 to .707 in one night, just hit three homers and take one walk. Easy.

2 hours ago, DirtySox said:

Absolute meatball on an 0-2 count

2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

The fact we are about to enter August and none of Schultz, Hagen, or Tanner have instilled any confidence in their ability to be major league pitchers is a massive concern. Throw in the complete Oppor meltdown and the ride range of injuries and it raises a lot of questions. Bannister feels like a guy who tries to get too cute and outsmart everyone. Changing Noah’s slider that was considered one of the best pitches in the minors is an example of that.

Wow, I had no idea he did this. I know Jimmy said they've really messed with him a lot this season.

4 hours ago, SoxBlanco said:

If you want to raise your OPS from .649 to .707 in one night, just hit three homers and take one walk. Easy.

10 hours ago, fathom said:

Always felt he was the guy everyone said was the smartest in the room, yet not necessarily deserved

IDK. This goes back to what I said originally which was that Bannister shouldn't be identifying guys to bring in. That's not his skill. His skill is getting the most out of what he has. He's also been a guy who develops big league talent in his career, not a guy who makes immense changes to minor leaguers.

If you look at the MLB pitching staff, it's full of guys who are getting way better production than the sum of the skillsets. So I think he's been able to maximize what they do have, but they really just don't have much. Those prospects, beyond Schultz, were never blue chip guys.

1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

IDK. This goes back to what I said originally which was that Bannister shouldn't be identifying guys to bring in. That's not his skill. His skill is getting the most out of what he has. He's also been a guy who develops big league talent in his career, not a guy who makes immense changes to minor leaguers.

If you look at the MLB pitching staff, it's full of guys who are getting way better production than the sum of the skillsets. So I think he's been able to maximize what they do have, but they really just don't have much. Those prospects, beyond Schultz, were never blue chip guys.

He’s not a pitching coach though…he’s the Director of Pitching and responsible for the broader pitching infrastructure across the org and is involved in all major player acquisition decisions. You can say there is a lack of pitching talent in the minors, but I’d disagree and argue it just feels that way due to all the injuries we have incurred.

Regardless, there is no arguing that many acquisitions have been subpar under Bannister, our pitcher health has imploded since he joined the organization, and development has stalled for many of our best prospects. How much is on him is impossible to say, but given he has his hands in all these areas it’s hard to not hold him to partially responsible.

24 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

He’s not a pitching coach though…he’s the Director of Pitching and responsible for the broader pitching infrastructure across the org and is involved in all major player acquisition decisions. You can say there is a lack of pitching talent in the minors, but I’d disagree and argue it just feels that way due to all the injuries we have incurred.

Regardless, there is no arguing that many acquisitions have been subpar under Bannister, our pitcher health has imploded since he joined the organization, and development has stalled for many of our best prospects. How much is on him is impossible to say, but given he has his hands in all these areas it’s hard to not hold him to partially responsible.

This is all fair, but i disagree on the talent part. I've never really liked any of the Sox guys but Schultz. The Sox have given Bannister a bunch of guys who can't consistently find the zone and told him to help them find the zone. That's a really tall task and a recipe for disaster.

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