Mr. Showtime Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 In the game thread Jason and few others we're talking about the possibility of the A's putting one of their starters on the block. Here is each guys contract info. Barry Zito LHP OAK Signed May 2002 - 4 years/$9.3M 2002: $0.5M (+$0.4M signing bonus) 2003: $0.9M 2004: $2.7M 2005: $4.8M 2006: Team option $7.0M -2004 salary rises to $2.8M with 400IP in 2002-3, $2.9M for 420IP -2005 salary rises to between $4.9M and $5.5M with 540-630IP 2002-4 -2006 option rises to $7.2M with 570IP 2002-5, to $8.25M with a Cy Young win Tim Hudson RHP OAK Signed Aug 2000 - 5 years/$14.7M 2001: $0.5M (+$0.1M signing bonus) 2002: $0.85M 2003: $2.7M 2004: $4.55M 2005: $6.0M option exercised Mark Mulder LHP OAK Signed Sep 2001 - 4 years/$14.2M 2002: $0.75M (+$0.2M signing bonus) 2003: $2.6M 2004: $4.4M 2005: $6.0M 2006: Team option $7.25M or $0.25M buyout -2005 salary can increase by $1M, 2006 by $8.5M if he reaches all incentives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 I would guess that Hudson would be the odd man out. He is the smallest physically, and he is also the only right hander. It is much easier to find a good RHP vs a LHP. He also looks like he has the biggest contract. And actually I think with Oakland losing so many hitters, the Sox would be a good fit for a trade with the A's. (sorry if I repeated something from the game thread, but I haven't read that.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Yeah I said Hudson would be the last choice of the 3 if the Sox were to get one. Let's just think about it though: the odds of this happening have to be 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Yeah I said Hudson would be the last choice of the 3 if the Sox were to get one. Let's just think about it though: the odds of this happening have to be 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000. Well unless we threw in Maggs to do it. I would wonder if a Reed or Anderson, and Honel for Hudson type deal could be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Doesn't Beane love these 3 too much to trade them anyways? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Doesn't Beane love these 3 too much to trade them anyways? It comes down to $$$. As these guys salaries start to go up and the A's attendance sucks, he is going to have to make a choice. If the A's aren't in contention, it could be sooner than later he has to decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Well unless we threw in Maggs to do it. I would wonder if a Reed or Anderson, and Honel for Hudson type deal could be done. Yeah I said that in the game thread. The Sox would either have to give 2 top of the line prospects or 1 top of the line and 2 2nd tier prospects. The amazing thing is...it would be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 But Beane isnt going to take a Carlos or a Konerko. What would be a far deal??? In my previous post I kind guessed at our top hitting and our top pitching prospect. Maybe another pitcher to give them a guy who could help them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 I think Tim Hudson is the best of the 3. Give him run support, and he'll win 20 with ease. He is also the oldest and closest to FA Since he's signed through 2005, Billy Beane will be literally asking for an arm and a leg and then some more arms in return Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 f*** BILLY BEANE! Opps, did I say that? Well, YES, SCREW HIM, AND HIS BOOK!! If it gets to that point where he is looking to unload salary, who would want to deal with him after that book, and risk being a chapter in the next book? Make a deal if reasonable, but have someone other than KW decide what is reasonable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 who would want to deal with him after that book, and risk being a chapter in the next book? Probably the guy who wants to give his team a hell of a good shot at winning a World Series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 Don't forget, Bradford for Olivo is in that book. Olivo is playing damn well and Bradford has been solid. I see no reason why that proves he is a genius. He isn't always right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 He isn't always right. Terrence Long and Ramon Hernandez for essentially Mark Kotsay(he may have gotten another player or another minor leaguer, but that was the main deal). Enough said. BTW, I may be wrong here, but Money ball has a chapter or two damn near solely devoted to Chad Bradford, yet I do not believe the name Miguel Olivo is mentioned ONCE. Just curious...am I correct in saying this? Because if so, it is poorly written in some spots. Good writing does NOT twist facts to help the writer's case when facts left out hurt it. Jay Mariotti is a prime example of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 I would rather go after Garcia and extend him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 f*** BILLY BEANE! Opps, did I say that? Well, YES, SCREW HIM, AND HIS BOOK!! If it gets to that point where he is looking to unload salary, who would want to deal with him after that book, and risk being a chapter in the next book? Make a deal if reasonable, but have someone other than KW decide what is reasonable! First of all, it's NOT Billy Beane's book. He's not the author. Second, he's not the GM version of the second coming. Some people have built him up so much because of that damn book and the success he's had getting the A's to the playoffs. But, I still say Billy Beane got very f***ing lucky that Mulder, Zito and Hudson all came up at the same time, all stayed healthy and all maximized their potential. That kinda s*** just doesn't happen. He's built his successful reputation on the arms of those three pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick03 Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 all i know is, that i would love to have any one of those guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 6, 2004 Share Posted May 6, 2004 First of all, it's NOT Billy Beane's book. He's not the author. Second, he's not the GM version of the second coming. Some people have built him up so much because of that damn book and the success he's had getting the A's to the playoffs. But, I still say Billy Beane got very f***ing lucky that Mulder, Zito and Hudson all came up at the same time, all stayed healthy and all maximized their potential. That kinda s*** just doesn't happen. He's built his successful reputation on the arms of those three pitchers. And in reality, what are the odds of a team drafting, signing, growing, and maturing 3 starting pitchers into potential Cy Youngs? If it were easy, every team would be doing it. I want to see the As do it again, to prove it wasn't luck. If Blanton and Harden turn into stars, I will be a believer in Beane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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