earlier in the year this trade looked like a slam dunk for the sox...but miles is back in colorade with a vengence and both uribe and harris numbers are going south..

 

miles numbers in 216 at bats...3 -22 .324....only 22k's..but only 9 walks too

 

this one could go back and forth for awhile ...

Too bad not much else is goin right in Colorado. Shows you why you shouldn't invest 75 to 90% of your payroll in about 7 players.

I've seen Miles play a lot this year. He looks solid. Hitting over .320 now.

earlier in the year this trade looked like a slam dunk for the sox...but miles is back in colorade with a vengence and both uribe and harris numbers are going south..

 

miles numbers in 216 at bats...3 -22 .324....only 22k's..but only 9 walks too

 

this one could go back and forth for awhile ...

Uribe has been far more valuable to the White Sox than Miles could have been. Miles is hitting in a hitter friendly Coors, so those numbers had better be up. And though Uribe's numbers are tanking, there was never a point in time where Miles carried the Rockies...not even for a 2 or 3 game stretch. In addition, Uribe has been above average with the glove, and his arm is extremely valuable in the White Sox infield. All in all, Miles is not missed in my book.

Uribe has been far more valuable to the White Sox than Miles could have been. Miles is hitting in a hitter friendly Coors, so those numbers had better be up. And though Uribe's numbers are tanking, there was never a point in time where Miles carried the Rockies...not even for a 2 or 3 game stretch. In addition, Uribe has been above average with the glove, and his arm is extremely valuable in the White Sox infield. All in all, Miles is not missed in my book.

i think the way to look at this trade (and i should have worded it different in my original post) was not that we shouldnt have made the uribe trade but should we have sent miles or harris to colorado for him???

 

that was my point of contention at the time the trade was made...i liked getting uribe because w/o tony g. here we had to acquire a utility infielder....but i just felt that we should have kept miles and traded harris..im sure colorado would have accepted either guy because uribe was kinda stagnent at coors and a 240 hitter in that park is like living with a 190 hitter in any other park...

i think the way to look at this trade (and i should have worded it different in my original post) was not that we shouldnt have made the uribe trade but should we have sent miles or harris to colorado for him???

 

that was my point of contention at the time the trade was made...i liked getting uribe because w/o tony g. here we had to acquire a utility infielder....but i just felt that we should have kept miles and traded harris..im sure colorado would have accepted either guy because uribe was kinda stagnent at coors and a 240 hitter in that park is like living with a 190 hitter in any other park...

In the short term Miles may be outperforming Harris, but in the long term Willie can be the lead off hitter this team desperately needs. I'm not sure Miles could be that.

Who cares? he's not in the organization anymore.

i think the way to look at this trade (and i should have worded it different in my original post) was not that we shouldnt have made the uribe trade but should we have sent miles or harris to colorado for him???

 

that was my point of contention at the time the trade was made...i liked getting uribe because w/o tony g. here we had to acquire a utility infielder....but i just felt that we should have kept miles and traded harris..im sure colorado would have accepted either guy because uribe was kinda stagnent at coors and a 240 hitter in that park is like living with a 190 hitter in any other park...

Isn't Miles something like 26 years old with very little MLB experience? Where as Harris is younger, with more experience, and with a larger upside? I see what you're saying, but I don't see why anyone had any interest in Miles to begin with.

I bet Willie still has the higher OBP and he cna steal more bases, etc. I'm glad we have Willie.

Isn't Miles something like 26 years old with very little MLB experience? Where as Harris is younger, with more experience, and with a larger upside? I see what you're saying, but I don't see why anyone had any interest in Miles to begin with.

I am not going to get into the debate over which one should have been kept.... time will tell there.... but allow me to make sure we have our facts straight

 

Miles is 27 - Harris is 26

 

Their minor league career stats are very similar.

Harris has more speed, but Miles is by no means slow.

Harris can play two positions, Miles cannot (although could play some 3B).

Harris bats lefty, Miles switch hits.

Their career batting averages are .290 (Harris) and .289 (Miles).

Harris walks a bit more therefore has a slightly higher OBP - .368 vs. .338

Miles is considered an average defender but makes plays. I have no fear of the ball hit his way with the game on the line.

 

All in all, I think they are similar players even though they are built differently. Harris is more lean and looks the part of a leadoff hitter. Miles is pretty muscular and with 6 more inches (in height) would have the perfect cleanup hitters build.

 

Lastly, I will say that I have not seen Willie to the extent I have Miles, so I will let you draw your own conclusions about him. I do know that Miles plays his ass off every day and is a perfect example of a "plugger" (i think that is the word he used), which is what KW said he was looking for in the offseason. Managers love having a guy like Miles in the lineup everyday. His style of play can be infectious and help others raise their level of play. There is no way the Barons win the SL Championship in 2002 without him.

 

From that, draw your own conclusions.

Their minor league career stats are very similar. 

Harris has more speed, but Miles is by no means slow. 

Harris can play two positions, Miles cannot (although could play some 3B). 

Harris bats lefty, Miles switch hits.

Their career batting averages are .290 (Harris) and .289 (Miles).

Harris walks a bit more therefore has a slightly higher OBP - .368 vs. .338

Miles is considered an average defender but makes plays.  I have no fear of the ball hit his way with the game on the line.

Throw minor league stats out the door, they don't matter.

 

Miles may not be slow, but Harris' speed might make or break some games. Miles speed won't.

 

Harris can play 2 spots, like you said, which is quite valuable. ...Especially with three middle infielders that are good enough to start on a quality big league team.

 

Switch hitters are over rated, IMO. ...That is of course, unless you are Carlos Beltran.

 

Harris is actually a career .237 hitter at the big league level where as Miles is .325. However, Harris has quite a few more at bats, and hits in a park that doesn't give you an extra 7% on the ball.

 

I'm not sure .368 over .338 is a slight edge. That seems like a lot in terms of on base percentage.

 

Harris has gold glove potential. Notice I said potential. He may never reach that potential, but he is still pretty good with the glove at 2B.

 

And those are just my two cents. Not an argument, just food for thought.

Harris is actually a career .237 hitter at the big league level where as Miles is .325. However, Harris has quite a few more at bats, and hits in a park that doesn't give you an extra 7% on the ball.

i dont think we can use the coors arguement anymore...since we chopped off the top half of the upper deack and opened up the park sox park is probably the best hitters park in the AL...

 

both guys play in great hitters parks

i dont think we can use the coors arguement anymore...since we chopped off the top half of the upper deack and opened up the park sox park is probably the best hitters park in the AL...

 

both guys play in great hitters parks

True, but Comiskey still is no Coors. We have great hitters, the Rockies don't.

True, but Comiskey still is no Coors. We have great hitters, the Rockies don't.

The Rockies are all about hitting

Overall, Harris has a larger potential upside to him. However, Miles' attitude may just negate that. I've always liked a guy that can be a grinder, like Miles. If Willie Harris can utilize all of his tools, he'll be the better ballplayer. But, that is a big "if".

The bottom line for me is Aaron Miles is a great guy and a fun player to watch. I will always root for him no matter who he plays for.

More about Miles. Someone, somewhere taught him how to bunt.

You guys are drasticly overrating Miles. Batting average is a very important stat, but it isn't the only stat that should be looked at. The fact of the matter is that Miles has 13 extra base hits in 216 AB's in the best hitters park in the game(maybe ever), which is down right terrible. He has a grand total of 9 walks in 216 AB's, which is also down right terrible. He has below average speed for a middle infielder(4 out of 7 in SB), and he is a below average defensive player. So lets recap.

 

Good BA, no power, no plate disipline, below average speed, and below average defense = utility infielder on a team that isn't 20 games below .500. Arron Miles is a Rey Sanchez clone.

He is much better looking, and thus more appealing to the foxettes who follow baseball, than Rey Sanchez. Just ask Rex's girlfriend.

You guys are drasticly overrating Miles. Batting average is a very important stat, but it isn't the only stat that should be looked at. The fact of the matter is that Miles has 13 extra base hits in 216 AB's in the best hitters park in the game(maybe ever), which is down right terrible. He has a grand total of 9 walks in 216 AB's, which is also down right terrible. He has below average speed for a middle infielder(4 out of 7 in SB), and he is a below average defensive player. So lets recap.

 

Good BA, no power, no plate disipline, below average speed, and below average defense = utility infielder on a team that isn't 20 games below .500. Arron Miles is a Rey Sanchez clone.

I agree. Uribe was suppose to be our utility guy too, anyone remember that? I love watching Uribe play, and I love the fact he is on this team.

You guys are drasticly overrating Miles. Batting average is a very important stat, but it isn't the only stat that should be looked at. The fact of the matter is that Miles has 13 extra base hits in 216 AB's in the best hitters park in the game(maybe ever), which is down right terrible. He has a grand total of 9 walks in 216 AB's, which is also down right terrible. He has below average speed for a middle infielder(4 out of 7 in SB), and he is a below average defensive player. So lets recap.

 

Good BA, no power, no plate disipline, below average speed, and below average defense = utility infielder on a team that isn't 20 games below .500. Arron Miles is a Rey Sanchez clone.

watch him play everyday and you will see why people like him. If he were so terrible he wouldn't even be in the big leagues. The guy needs to be seen to be appreciated. Coaches love him on their team. That tells me something.

 

If you want to stare at the stat sheet, go for it. I'd take him on my team anyday.

The bottom line for me is Aaron Miles is a great guy and a fun player to watch.  I will always root for him no matter who he plays for.

You should, Miles never did anything bad to the sox, I root for him also. I just can't believe this trade is being discussed like kenny did something wrong. We got uribe who has been very solid and Miles has done a descent job for the rockies. Uribe was and is more valuable to the white sox because he can play 2b, ss, and 3b which is a huge but maybe miles is more valuable to the rockies. Maybe a trade worked out for both teams, can we just accept that for once?

You should, Miles never did anything bad to the sox, I root for him also.  I just can't believe this trade is being discussed like kenny did something wrong.  We got uribe who has been very solid and Miles has done a descent job for the rockies.  Uribe was and is more valuable to the white sox because he can play 2b, ss, and 3b which is a huge but maybe miles is more valuable to the rockies.  Maybe a trade worked out for both teams, can we just accept that for once?

i dont think anyone is blasting KW for this trade...we needed a utility infielder and we got one in uribe...i just wanted your guy's views on whether we should have kept miles and sent harris to colorado..at the time of the trade that was my first thought...why not keep miles and give them harris???

Maybe a trade worked out for both teams, can we just accept that for once?

No we can't because whining and moaning and b****ing is what we do best. And nothing looks so good and HOF bound to us as a former Sox player.

Why are we still talking about a player that was moved during the offseason? If they're gone, they're gone. What good will lamenting about it do? Time to move on.