BTW Cheat this is waaaay off topic but where did you get that pic from that has the flamthrower at?  I need that for another forum... --or post it in the pic section below...

 

Thanks!

I have no Idea -- Same place I got the eye chart... Google Image search.... I think the flamethrower pic I searched for flame war or flame bait something like that.

Can we get a clear conise read on about how much Garland will make next season?

 

A bunch of you - babybearhater, to name one - are having Garland making four-six million next year. IIRC, his salary this year is, at most, 2.5 million. His salary isn't going to double from arbitration, coming off of a worse year than his past two... I don't know why some of you guys have him at five million next year. 3.25, at MOST, IMHO...

Can we get a clear conise read on about how much Garland will make next season?

 

A bunch of you - babybearhater, to name one - are having Garland making four-six million next year.  IIRC, his salary this year is, at most, 2.5 million.  His salary isn't going to double from arbitration, coming off of a worse year than his past two...  I don't know why some of you guys have him at five million next year.  3.25, at MOST, IMHO...

It's harder to make an argument if you don't exaggerate.... I heard Garland was harboring terrorists and had WMD's too.

So, let me get this straight.

 

For years we've had problems from one spot, the fifth starter spot. This year, we actually have a commitment from ownership to pick up at least a #3 starter - and we want to go into next season with, yet again, another question mark at the number five spot?

 

Hmm, let's see what Garland will do for us at THREE million. No, not five million, not six million, hell, not even four million. Most likely, three million:

 

-Give us 200 IP of work - BTW - knock on wood, but he seems to be a very durable starter. Very injury free.

 

-Give us - AT WORST - a 5.00 ERA.

 

-Still time for improvement, because whether you Garland-haters like it or not, he's still a kid at 24. Guess what? Grilli is older than him. And Grilli blows, so don't even get me started on you people endorsing him as the fifth starter. So - the chance for improvement is there, as - with MOST pitchers, like Yas and Cheat have pointed out - it usually takes a couple of years for a pitcher to mentally develop.

 

 

So, can all of you armchair GM's, give me a guy who will eat up innings like Jon will, provide - at worst - a five ERA, and still has the chance for improvement - that is available - at three million?

 

But hey, Jason Grilli has kept us in all of his games that he's started - even though he doesn't have ONE quality start with us - but he can do all of that, right? Right?

So, let me get this straight.

 

For years we've had problems from one spot, the fifth starter spot.  This year, we actually have a commitment from ownership to pick up at least a #3 starter - and we want to go into next season with, yet again, another question mark at the number five spot?

 

Hmm, let's see what Garland will do for us at THREE million.  No, not five million, not six million, hell, not even four million.  Most likely, three million:

 

-Give us 200 IP of work - BTW - knock on wood, but he seems to be a very durable starter.  Very injury free.

 

-Give us - AT WORST - a 5.00 ERA. 

 

-Still time for improvement, because whether you Garland-haters like it or not, he's still a kid at 24.  Guess what?  Grilli is older than him.  And Grilli blows, so don't even get me started on you people endorsing him as the fifth starter.  So - the chance for improvement is there, as - with MOST pitchers, like Yas and Cheat have pointed out - it usually takes a couple of years for a pitcher to mentally develop.

 

 

So, can all of you armchair GM's, give me a guy who will eat up innings like Jon will, provide - at worst - a five ERA, and still has the chance for improvement - that is available - at three million?

 

But hey, Jason Grilli has kept us in all of his games that he's started - even though he doesn't have ONE quality start with us - but he can do all of that, right?  Right?

No fricken kidding. The same people will be complaining that we don't have a 5th starter if Grilli was our 5th starter and he gets rocked. We must keep jon around to be the 5th starter unless we acquire two starters in the offseason, I would however like to keep grilli around as a long reliever just because he'd be someone descent to have around to have a spot start if someone went down.

No fricken kidding.  The same people will be complaining that we don't have a 5th starter if Grilli was our 5th starter and he gets rocked.  We must keep jon around to be the 5th starter unless we acquire two starters in the offseason, I would however like to keep grilli around as a long reliever just because he'd be someone descent to have around to have a spot start if someone went down.

I have said many times while i may not like garland he would be an excellent 5th starter even with the 3 million he will be making next year. Sad thing is he most likely won't be the fifth starter next year due to contreras being terrible.

i think contreras will either be amazing or s***ty but i think he can get 13-14 wins next year.... and garland i predict 14-15 wins next year assuming he is our 5th and we dont totally suck at hitting on this team

I have said many times while i may not like garland he would be an excellent 5th starter even with the 3 million he will be making next year. Sad thing is he most likely won't be the fifth starter next year due to contreras being terrible.

I think Contreras has showed enough to be at least the 4th starter next season. Hopefully Coop and Ozzie can get into his head in the offseason the need to throw strikes and that fastball of his instead of the splitter so early in the count.

I think Contreras has showed enough to be at least the 4th starter next season. Hopefully Coop and Ozzie can get into his head in the offseason the need to throw strikes and that fastball of his instead of the splitter so early in the count.

His 6.20 era here has shown you he can be a fourth starter for us? How so?

So, can all of you armchair GM's, give me a guy who will eat up innings like Jon will, provide - at worst - a five ERA, and still has the chance for improvement - that is available - at three million?

 

Thank You!!!!

 

 

And as I said, Contreras is one more very important reason to keep Garland around. You guys say Garland is a head case, but you want Contreras to be number 4? This guy is 35 years old. C'mon .... that's crazy.

His 6.20 era here has shown you he can be a fourth starter for us? How so?

Look at his last start and his first few. Besides the middle starts where he'd probably have an ERA over 10, Contreras hasn't pitched that bad. I'm confident Coop and Ozzie can settle him down, work on his control issues, and harness his good stuff. Whatever you say about his ERA, you have to be impressed with the amount of K's he puts up.

Look at his last start and his first few. Besides the middle starts where he'd probably have an ERA over 10, Contreras hasn't pitched that bad. I'm confident Coop and Ozzie can settle him down, work on his control issues, and harness his good stuff. Whatever you say about his ERA, you have to be impressed with the amount of K's he puts up.

Can I slect the starts by Garland that I want to count, or is that only allowed with Contreras?

Look at his last start and his first few. Besides the middle starts where he'd probably have an ERA over 10, Contreras hasn't pitched that bad. I'm confident Coop and Ozzie can settle him down, work on his control issues, and harness his good stuff. Whatever you say about his ERA, you have to be impressed with the amount of K's he puts up.

I like the walks but his control is terrible. Also in seven of his eleven starts he has given up 4 earned runs or more and in only six of those outings has he gone more than six innings.

Can I slect the starts by Garland that I want to count, or is that only allowed with Contreras?

Contreras has only been with the Sox about 2 months though. I don't think it's fair to judge his performances as a whole on that. You look at a case like Esteban Loaiza, nobody knows what numbers Contreras and Garland could put up next season.

I like the walks but his control is terrible. Also in seven of his eleven starts he has given up 4 earned runs or more and in only six of those outings has he gone more than six innings.

Contreras lately has only been going about 5 to 6 innings and his pitch count is up above 100. Like I said, he's got to stop using his splitter early, because hitters will lay off that for balls. Whatever you say about Contreras, he's signed for the next 2 seasons, and there's no doubt he'll be in our rotation.

Like I said, he's got to stop using his splitter early, because hitters will lay off that for balls.

That is easier said than done. I have no doubt in my mind that if he only used it when ahead in the count that he could be the ace of our staff if not a very solid 2.

Contreras lately has only been going about 5 to 6 innings and his pitch count is up above 100. Like I said, he's got to stop using his splitter early, because hitters will lay off that for balls. Whatever you say about Contreras, he's signed for the next 2 seasons, and there's no doubt he'll be in our rotation.

Yes, and the odds are that Garland will outperform Contreras the next two years. He's a better pitcher. Contreras hasn't learn to be anything but a thrower.

Contreras has only been with the Sox about 2 months though. I don't think it's fair to judge his performances as a whole on that. You look at a case like Esteban Loaiza, nobody knows what numbers Contreras and Garland could put up next season.

Ok ... if that's not fair, just include his time with Yankees. That will change my mind.