Damn I hate social security.  The government should not be in the business of paying retirees.  Pay for your own retirement.  Don't buy the extra TV, don't buy the new car for a year or two.  Put that money in one of the many tax free programs that are out there now.  Let me manage my own retirement.  Social Security is the single biggest program that the government should not be managing.

Social Security = the worlds largest pyramid scheme. Next topic.

Social Security = the worlds largest pyramid scheme.  Next topic.

Problem is that we can't pull out of it now, we'll just f*** over all the baby boomers then

Problem is that we can't pull out of it now, we'll just f*** over all the baby boomers then

No we can't pull it now. But the system is going to collapse upon itself. The sheer numbers will insure that. Look at the airlines and the steel mills to prove that. When not enough people are paying for too many people, it does not work. We need to make sure that people our age take care of themselves because there will not be the money to give us SS. It is just not economically possible.

What do you mean?

Nader is out for Nader. Exactly what does he stand for? If its because he was a green party person, vote for Cobb.

Nader is out for Nader. Exactly what does he stand for? If its because he was a green party person, vote for Cobb.

I'll check out his website tonight. Who are you voting for?

Kerry. I volunteered for the campaign today. I've liked Kerry since January of 2003.

Wow John Kerry also finally laughed at himself

Do we have a new word?

 

Ideaolog

Do we have a new word?

 

Ideaolog

How about idears? I couldn't believe I heard Kerry talk like GW.

How about idears?  I couldn't believe I heard Kerry talk like GW.

i'm pretty sure he was quoting FDR

How about idears?  I couldn't believe I heard Kerry talk like GW.

What do you mean?

  What do you mean?

i hope that was sarcastic...

i hope that was sarcastic...

No.... Honestly, I'm a bit confused. GW=George W. Bush?

 

"idears" is just how some people talk. It's like "Warshington."

No....  Honestly, I'm a bit confused.  GW=George W. Bush?

 

"idears" is just how some people talk.  It's like "Warshington."

John Kerry has made an obvious effort to ditch the east coast accent. "idears" really slipped out, like GW would butcher a word. It isn't a big deal, just not the person I expected to do that.

John Kerry has made an obvious effort to ditch the east coast accent.  "idears" really slipped out, like GW would butcher a word.  It isn't a big deal, just not the person I expected to do that.

Okay, just curious. When someone says 'talk like Bush', I think of "Is our children learning?", not an accent.

I thought Bush did well tonite. I caught the very beginning and I thought Bush looked better than Kerry. Won't change who I support and I think Kerry did well at the end. In the segments I watched I'd rate it a draw leaning towards a Bush win.

Okay, just curious.  When someone says 'talk like Bush', I think of "Is our children learning?", not an accent.

"He or her will be able to pass a literacy test." :headshake

on a CNN poll (not the one you can vote in but a real poll) Kerry won 52% to 39% for Bush. HELLS YES!

CNN Kerry 52, Bush 39

CBS Kerry 39, Bush 25

ABC Kerry by one point.

CNN Focus group of unidentified voters. 10 Kerry, 7 Bush, 10 or so still on the fence.

"He or her will be able to pass a literacy test."  :headshake 

Ah, our funniest modern president... The Bushisms shall never become more few.

I love how Pell grants have actually decreased yet Bush says they have gone up...and Bush did make that comment saying in March 2003, when asked by a CNN commentator about bin Laden, Bush said: "So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. . . . I truly am not that concerned about him."

I think the context of his quote was along the lines of. No, I don't really worry too much about him, but he should be worried about us.

Problem is that we can't pull out of it now, we'll just f*** over all the baby boomers then

Its simple, our generation shouldn't expect the government to support our retirement. I know I'm not expecting them to and I dont' think anyone else should. Social Security isn't needed anymore, however, we need to make sure the people that are expecting it, which means our parents, get it but after that, I'd set up a policy trying to help people retire and would maybe have policies to help poorer people retire and be aided, but other then that, I don't think its the job of the government to support our retirements.

 

As far as the debate goes. I think this was Bush's best fairing. He was agressive from the beginning and did very well on a topic where Kerry had to be favored. I fully believe any debate on domestic policy favors the democratic party because they can talk up all their big government policies which always sound fine and dandy.

 

I thought Bush did a good job attacking Kerry's health care plan. He also did a good job clearly stating how his tax cut did help the middle class. He gave 4 reasons of why the tax cut helped the middle class. It was pretty clear. He also seemed to throw out good facts to support him and did a good two fold job. A, he would explain his plan and then B, he would attack his opponents plan.

 

Kerry just didn't appear as strong in this debate, but I think part of it was Bush was definately ready and came out gunning. I don't give a s*** what CBS poll and CNNs poll told me. ABC's initial poll said something else and Fox News the same way. Myself, I know my opinion and Idon't led the pundits sway my mind and Bush won that debate. I give him a 2-1 nod, but thats me

 

However, I'm quiet worried that a lot of people missed the debate and are going to listen to the spin which initially appears to favor Kerry....no shocker. It kills me because it isn't true. I know it when two of my very good friends, both die-hard democrats tell me Bush did better.