November 20, 200421 yr I am nuts. Concensus has been reached. Two words, broaden horizons. Two more words, I'm serious.
November 20, 200421 yr Why is it anyone who disagrees with you is an asshole?? Haven't we all made mistakes,including me?? Let's stop this nonsense.You believe what you want to believe, i'll believe what you want to believe.I guess frustration isn't allowed on this board.Maybe we should tailgate sometime next year and clear this up. I'm not that much of an asshole.Honest. :banghead There's a lesson to be learned here .... Do not disgaree with Steff.
November 21, 200421 yr Jim, While I agree with much of what you say, I don't beleive JR goes to the board on what players to keep and not keep. I also believe that JR is in charge of the team. The rest are silent investors who may get a quarterly update on financials and announcements. They entrust there investment to JR and Einhorn. It is up to them to run the team as they see fit and report back like management reports back to a Board of directors. Now that stated, anytime JR wants out, he can simply go to the board and recommend that he be replaced or recommend that they sell the team. This is where I might take exception with REX. You see I don't think any of these guys want to sell, because they don't lose money on this investment. They run the team not to lose money. Why as an investor would I sell if I am not losing money and some years I make money. Eddie einhorn stated on the radio last year (spring training I beleive) that the sox were one of 7 teams who made money in 2003. These guys have a good investment and that is why they are in this. I am certain they do not need to be fans. Where are you taking exception? I can't find anything in your post that disagrees with anything I have said.
November 21, 200421 yr Where are you taking exception? I can't find anything in your post that disagrees with anything I have said. Rex, don't worry, it's Saturday nite, quickman takes exception to something said by someone at some point every Saturday nite.
November 21, 200421 yr Where are you taking exception? I can't find anything in your post that disagrees with anything I have said. Sorry Rex, The only thing I disagree with is that the Sox are not making money. I think they are, but it is certainly hard for me or anyone else to prove that other than what I heard einhorn say. I truly believe when its all said and done each year they make cash for there shareholders, and I think that is great.
November 21, 200421 yr Rex, don't worry, it's Saturday nite, quickman takes exception to something said by someone at some point every Saturday nite. Only when people steal my ideas and claim them to be there own.
November 21, 200421 yr Rex, don't worry, it's Saturday nite, quickman takes exception to something said by someone at some point every Saturday nite. Does quickman have a friend near him by the name of Jack Daniels? Is that what you are referring to Jim?
November 21, 200421 yr Only when people steal my ideas and claim them to be there own. Are you nuts? You steal ideas from westsidebill, "I've been a Sox fan for 52 years blah blah blah blah", please. PS: "there" = a place that isn't here "their" = belongs to them What's the matter with you?
November 21, 200421 yr Does quickman have a friend near him by the name of Jack Daniels? Is that what you are referring to Jim? HEY HEY HEY!! Dont talk smack about my buddy jack daniels damn you!
November 21, 200421 yr Sorry Rex, The only thing I disagree with is that the Sox are not making money. I think they are, but it is certainly hard for me or anyone else to prove that other than what I heard einhorn say. I truly believe when its all said and done each year they make cash for there shareholders, and I think that is great. quick, I think the difference is, how much money are we talking about. I don't think the Sox are making a ton of money each year. Could they be making marginal profits in some years, while breaking even or coming real close in others? Sure Profitability doesn't have to be a polar opposite argument. "Not making money" can mean breaking even or having marginal profits. It does not automatically have to mean "losing money". But I have no problem with them making money. I just don't think you are seeing $20 million to the positive at the end of the year. (just using a round figure) The Sox investors main benefit is from the increased franchise value, which is only paper money unless actually sold. That is their long-term profit. But let's say the Sox make a profit of, say $3 - $5 million in a year. With roughly 70 investors, I think that is more than acceptable, should they decide to slice that up into a nice dividend. The key is how much do they make. My contention is that any operating profits being made are marginal and nothing extraordinary. If I am an owner, I'd like the business to make money and have the choice of whether to take a little dividend for myself or reinvest it back into the product. I don't think they have an OBLIGATION to the fans to sink every single penny on the positive side of the ledger back into the business. I DO think they have an obligation to run a club with a reasonable payroll based on their level of projected revenues for each year. My biggest problem with Sox management (other than I disagree with many of their personnel moves, but that is another arguement) is their constant increasing of ticket prices. I am not a believer in the concept that prices must increase every single year. I think they could gain a great feather in their public relations cap, should they announce they were holding prices as a thank you to those that support them. Then do everything they can to improve the club while staying within the confines of the budget they set and hope like hell they have a great season. Enough rambling, I hope I have gotten my point across.
November 21, 200421 yr There's a lesson to be learned here .... Do not disgaree with Steff. FORGIVE ME.
November 21, 200421 yr quick, I think the difference is, how much money are we talking about. I don't think the Sox are making a ton of money each year. Could they be making marginal profits in some years, while breaking even or coming real close in others? Sure Profitability doesn't have to be a polar opposite argument. "Not making money" can mean breaking even or having marginal profits. It does not automatically have to mean "losing money". But I have no problem with them making money. I just don't think you are seeing $20 million to the positive at the end of the year. (just using a round figure) The Sox investors main benefit is from the increased franchise value, which is only paper money unless actually sold. That is their long-term profit. But let's say the Sox make a profit of, say $3 - $5 million in a year. With roughly 70 investors, I think that is more than acceptable, should they decide to slice that up into a nice dividend. The key is how much do they make. My contention is that any operating profits being made are marginal and nothing extraordinary. If I am an owner, I'd like the business to make money and have the choice of whether to take a little dividend for myself or reinvest it back into the product. I don't think they have an OBLIGATION to the fans to sink every single penny on the positive side of the ledger back into the business. I DO think they have an obligation to run a club with a reasonable payroll based on their level of projected revenues for each year. My biggest problem with Sox management (other than I disagree with many of their personnel moves, but that is another arguement) is their constant increasing of ticket prices. I am not a believer in the concept that prices must increase every single year. I think they could gain a great feather in their public relations cap, should they announce they were holding prices as a thank you to those that support them. Then do everything they can to improve the club while staying within the confines of the budget they set and hope like hell they have a great season. Enough rambling, I hope I have gotten my point across.
November 22, 200421 yr Why is it anyone who disagrees with you is an asshole?? Haven't we all made mistakes,including me?? Let's stop this nonsense.You believe what you want to believe, i'll believe what you want to believe.I guess frustration isn't allowed on this board.Maybe we should tailgate sometime next year and clear this up. I'm not that much of an asshole.Honest. :banghead I never called you an asshole.. but if the shoe fits I will not stand in your way of wearing it. And thanks, but no thanks as I have no interest in socializing with someone who apparently would do nothing but b**** and moan about this team. I'm sure you're not an asshole. But to be honest, I don't care.
November 22, 200421 yr There's a lesson to be learned here .... Do not disgaree with Steff. C'mon.. that's not even close to true. I disagree with many people here and get along with them just fine.
November 22, 200421 yr quick, I think the difference is, how much money are we talking about. I don't think the Sox are making a ton of money each year. Could they be making marginal profits in some years, while breaking even or coming real close in others? Sure Profitability doesn't have to be a polar opposite argument. "Not making money" can mean breaking even or having marginal profits. It does not automatically have to mean "losing money". But I have no problem with them making money. I just don't think you are seeing $20 million to the positive at the end of the year. (just using a round figure) The Sox investors main benefit is from the increased franchise value, which is only paper money unless actually sold. That is their long-term profit. But let's say the Sox make a profit of, say $3 - $5 million in a year. With roughly 70 investors, I think that is more than acceptable, should they decide to slice that up into a nice dividend. The key is how much do they make. My contention is that any operating profits being made are marginal and nothing extraordinary. If I am an owner, I'd like the business to make money and have the choice of whether to take a little dividend for myself or reinvest it back into the product. I don't think they have an OBLIGATION to the fans to sink every single penny on the positive side of the ledger back into the business. I DO think they have an obligation to run a club with a reasonable payroll based on their level of projected revenues for each year. My biggest problem with Sox management (other than I disagree with many of their personnel moves, but that is another arguement) is their constant increasing of ticket prices. I am not a believer in the concept that prices must increase every single year. I think they could gain a great feather in their public relations cap, should they announce they were holding prices as a thank you to those that support them. Then do everything they can to improve the club while staying within the confines of the budget they set and hope like hell they have a great season. Enough rambling, I hope I have gotten my point across. Amen.
November 22, 200421 yr C'mon.. that's not even close to true. I disagree with many people here and get along with them just fine. I really didn't mean for that to be taken seriously. Not in any way. I'm sorry if it came across otherwise.
November 22, 200421 yr I really didn't mean for that to be taken seriously. Not in any way. I'm sorry if it came across otherwise. I forgot the .
November 22, 200421 yr quick, I think the difference is, how much money are we talking about. I don't think the Sox are making a ton of money each year. Could they be making marginal profits in some years, while breaking even or coming real close in others? Sure Profitability doesn't have to be a polar opposite argument. "Not making money" can mean breaking even or having marginal profits. It does not automatically have to mean "losing money". But I have no problem with them making money. I just don't think you are seeing $20 million to the positive at the end of the year. (just using a round figure) The Sox investors main benefit is from the increased franchise value, which is only paper money unless actually sold. That is their long-term profit. But let's say the Sox make a profit of, say $3 - $5 million in a year. With roughly 70 investors, I think that is more than acceptable, should they decide to slice that up into a nice dividend. The key is how much do they make. My contention is that any operating profits being made are marginal and nothing extraordinary. If I am an owner, I'd like the business to make money and have the choice of whether to take a little dividend for myself or reinvest it back into the product. I don't think they have an OBLIGATION to the fans to sink every single penny on the positive side of the ledger back into the business. I DO think they have an obligation to run a club with a reasonable payroll based on their level of projected revenues for each year. My biggest problem with Sox management (other than I disagree with many of their personnel moves, but that is another arguement) is their constant increasing of ticket prices. I am not a believer in the concept that prices must increase every single year. I think they could gain a great feather in their public relations cap, should they announce they were holding prices as a thank you to those that support them. Then do everything they can to improve the club while staying within the confines of the budget they set and hope like hell they have a great season. Enough rambling, I hope I have gotten my point across. Rex, believe it or not we are in complete agreement. Your points are those in which I believe to be true and valid.
November 22, 200421 yr I never called you an asshole.. but if the shoe fits I will not stand in your way of wearing it. And thanks, but no thanks as I have no interest in socializing with someone who apparently would do nothing but b**** and moan about this team. I'm sure you're not an asshole. But to be honest, I don't care. There you go again making friends behind my back
November 22, 200421 yr There you go again making friends behind my back Well.. if you hung out with us common folk more, I'd pick on you accordingly.
November 22, 200421 yr Well.. if you hung out with us common folk more, I'd pick on you accordingly. Am I both of your friends?
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