qwerty Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 The Sox need a guy who can give them 60-70 innings from the pen, who can go 1+ innings at any given time, and pitch a few days in a row. Osuna isn't cut out for that role He can give us 60 innings at least no reason to believe other wise unless he is injured. He has always pitched more innings than games every year of his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 He can give us 60 innings at least no reason to believe other wise unless he is injured. He has always pitched more innings than games every year of his career. How did we lose Osuna in the first place? And, how did we aquire him the first time? The only thing I remember about Osuna was he was with us one year, had a pretty damn good season, and that was it. Why was he here only one year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 How did we lose Osuna in the first place? And, how did we aquire him the first time? The only thing I remember about Osuna was he was with us one year, had a pretty damn good season, and that was it. Why was he here only one year? Departed as part of the Colon trade. We got him in a trade with the Dodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 How did we lose Osuna in the first place? And, how did we aquire him the first time? The only thing I remember about Osuna was he was with us one year, had a pretty damn good season, and that was it. Why was he here only one year? Signed him as a free agent, he was injured all of his first year here outside of 4.1 innings. Then as jackie said he was part of the three way trade that got us colon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Departed as part of the Colon trade. We got him in a trade with the Dodgers. Who we trade for him? I thought he was a free agent when we got him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Who we trade for him? I thought he was a free agent when we got him. Don't think. It can only hurt the ballclub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Who we trade for him? I thought he was a free agent when we got him. I don't remember it, I was just looking at baseball-reference.com. Here's the link. Part of the Majewski-to-the-Dodgers trade, they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Don't think. It can only hurt the ballclub. O.k., do not know what that is about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 I don't remember it, I was just looking at baseball-reference.com. Here's the link. Part of the Majewski-to-the-Dodgers trade, they say. I found it.  http://fantasy.sportingnews.com/baseball/a...8/303605-p.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 O.k., do not know what that is about. It's a quote from Bull Durham........ also good advice for all on some occasions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagar69 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 renteria is not worth 10 mil a yr. he is vastly overrated if he gets that price. he doesnt deserve more than 7.5. if we sign him to say a 4 year, 30 mil deal, id be happy with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Renteria isn't worth $7 million a year to the Sox when they have Juan Uribe entering his prime years and on the cheap. I'd rather save the $6 million salary differential and put it to picking up Luis Castillo's $5 million salary and his .370 career OBP from the Marlins, or putting it toward Matt Clement. There's more value to be had elsewhere. Or, in the alternative, paying Garciaparra an extra $2 million for the production he brings. Â Disappointingly, there are very few free agents in the positions the Sox need the most, like catcher and second base and third base. Â As to third base, I do have a feeling that Joe Crede will turn around next year. He knows he has a problem with his swing and is dedicated to correcting it. In addition, people don't hit like Joe hit in the second half of 2003 without having talent. He'll turn it around in 2004 and I foresee a .280/.330/.480 season from him - with a 25-30 Cell-aided home run total. He still won't walk nearly enough, but he'll hit for a higher average and have more consistent power. With a .810 OPS, he'll be in the top half of AL third basemen, and no longer a 20-30 run drag on the offense. Â The other issues is how much Konerko and Rowand come down to Earth. My thought is that Paulie loses 8-10 homers, but keeps around the same average and OBP. Rowand I think hits .280/.330/.440 himself, meaning that he'll be a solid CF contributor, but not much of a corner outfielder offensively. Â Look for Carlos to go nuts in his walk year. Think .310/.380/.550 with 35+ homers. I'm dead serious. He's in his prime, has figured out how to hit, and is going to come in loaded for bear in 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 My thought on Edgar is, if JR is willing to spend the dough to get him in here, why all the hate? Â As long as Kenny is able to fill the team's most pressing needs after he is in the books, this could be a fantastic signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Renteria isn't worth $7 million a year to the Sox when they have Juan Uribe entering his prime years and on the cheap. I'd rather save the $6 million salary differential and put it to picking up Luis Castillo's $5 million salary and his .370 career OBP from the Marlins, or putting it toward Matt Clement. There's more value to be had elsewhere. Or, in the alternative, paying Garciaparra an extra $2 million for the production he brings. Disappointingly, there are very few free agents in the positions the Sox need the most, like catcher and second base and third base.  As to third base, I do have a feeling that Joe Crede will turn around next year. He knows he has a problem with his swing and is dedicated to correcting it. In addition, people don't hit like Joe hit in the second half of 2003 without having talent. He'll turn it around in 2004 and I foresee a .280/.330/.480 season from him - with a 25-30 Cell-aided home run total. He still won't walk nearly enough, but he'll hit for a higher average and have more consistent power. With a .810 OPS, he'll be in the top half of AL third basemen, and no longer a 20-30 run drag on the offense.  The other issues is how much Konerko and Rowand come down to Earth. My thought is that Paulie loses 8-10 homers, but keeps around the same average and OBP. Rowand I think hits .280/.330/.440 himself, meaning that he'll be a solid CF contributor, but not much of a corner outfielder offensively.  Look for Carlos to go nuts in his walk year. Think .310/.380/.550 with 35+ homers. I'm dead serious. He's in his prime, has figured out how to hit, and is going to come in loaded for bear in 2005. Doesn't Carlos still have another year left on his contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Doesn't Carlos still have another year left on his contract? I thought he has an option. Maybe it's a year left and then an option year, or maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Yes, he has next year and 2006 is an option year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 It's not that I wouldn't want Renteria if the Chairman broke out the checkbook, it's that I think that the Sox have a limited budget and the money spent on Edgar would be better spent on a more desparate need. Here's my equation:  Renteria VORP - Uribe VORP  Assuming that Renteria will cost the same or more than Wright/Clement, I would prefer the Sox get Wright or Clement.  Of course, with an unlimited budget, we aren't talking about Renteria...I would be asking for Garciaparra, Pedro, Radke, Jeff Kent, Carlos Beltran, Jason Varitek, Corek Koskie, Matt Clement etc. How's this unlimited budget lineup?  SS Garciaparra 2B Kent CF Beltran LF Lee DH Thomas 1B Konerko C Varitek 3B Koskie RF Rowand (shoot, would we even keep Rowand around?)  P Pedro P Radke P Garcia P Buehrle P Clement  All this can be yours for the low, low payroll of...  $17 Beltran $14 Pedro $9 Radke $9 Garciaparra $9 Wright $9 Garcia $9 Kent $8 Lee $8 Konerko $8 Thomas $8 Varitek $6 Buehrle $6 Koskie $6 Clement $2 Rowand  Total - $128 million. Then you need a bullpen.  Here's a shocker - THE YANKEES ALREADY HAVE A PAYROLL FOR NEXT YEAR IN EXCESS OF THAT "DREAM" FREE AGENT CLASS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinnesotaSoxFan Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 This guy looks good in a White Sox uni, don't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox05 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 I dont want renteria if he is going to cost more than 6 million which he will. His stats will go down because he is in the horrible NL and he has a very low obp as is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 I know. Thief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 I know. Aw, Ace, are you giving up on Polanco? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 I dont want renteria if he is going to cost more than 6 million which he will. His stats will go down because he is in the horrible NL and he has a very low obp as is. Why do you refer to it as the horrible nl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Thief. If you failed to know, Minny made me that avi. He just likes to show it off after he completes it. Next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Aw, Ace, are you giving up on Polanco? Not a chance Jackie. He's there in spirit.. I'm keeping the faith alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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