SoxFan562004 Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 lets not forget that frank does not rebound well after being out with an injury. it took him a year to get his stats back up last time. Which ankle is hurt on Frank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Remind me again why Anaheim is done with Eck. Who is their infield? Why do they have no interest in him? I'm sure the Angels would like him back at a reduced salary, but I think there are more than a couple teams who would pay him more than Anaheim, and at least one comes to mind right off the bat ( St. Louis ) who would probably want him to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 My guess is he'll end up in Minny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 I wouldn't mind Eckstein or Cairo but I want to stay away from Cora. Too much like Willie Harris for my tastes, only less defense and speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmatt Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Which ankle is hurt on Frank? It's his left foot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Why would Willie sulk? If anything, whenever hes been put on the bench, all hes ever done is give 100% and not complained. I think there will be plenty of AB's for both Eck and Willie, because Willie can play against RHP, and Eck against LHP. Also Eck can play for Uribe, and Uribe can play for Crede. So we could have different line ups depending on who we are facing: Willie 2b Uribe SS Crede 3b Eck 2b Uribe SS Crede 3b Willie 2b Eck SS Crede 3b Willie 2b Eck SS Uribe 3b 4 players splitting time between 3 positions will give them all chances to play, and even better for us, we can take advantage of match ups, and hopefully prevent Crede, Uribe, Willie from prolonged slumps. And I think Willie will be a good lead off hitter one day, he is still developing. But he has very good discipline and works counts very well. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 IMHO, Willie should rarely start unless he's giving Uribe a rest. Quite frankly, I want Eckstein at short and Uribe at 2B. And the less of No Hit Willie I see, the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 IMHO, Willie should rarely start unless he's giving Uribe a rest. Quite frankly, I want Eckstein at short and Uribe at 2B. And the less of No Hit Willie I see, the better. I agree 100%, like I said yesterday, Eck is a SS, Uribe is PRIMARILY a 2B, but it's fine with me if Uribe needs rest and we put Willie at 2B. Just keep Eck at SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmatt Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 I agree 100%, like I said yesterday, Eck is a SS, Uribe is PRIMARILY a 2B, but it's fine with me if Uribe needs rest and we put Willie at 2B. Just keep Eck at SS. Eckstein has an awful arm thats why i want him at second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Eckstein has an awful arm thats why i want him at second. Is it that bad??? C'mon, we dealt with horrible throws from Valentin for like 5 years, Sure, he had a strong arm but still, I'd rather deal with a weak arm than an inaccurate arm. BTW, he sure seemed to make all the thorws against us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Is it that bad??? C'mon, we dealt with horrible throws from Valentin for like 5 years, Sure, he had a strong arm but still, I'd rather deal with a weak arm than an inaccurate arm. BTW, he sure seemed to make all the thorws against us. Uribe is a great defensive shortstop who has an absolute cannon, if we get eck we're doing things backwards if Juan is at 2b and eck is at ss, Juan has more range and a rocket for an arm, where as Eck has a weak arm. If we get eck it's an easy decision to move eck to 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Uribe is a great defensive shortstop who has an absolute cannon, if we get eck we're doing things backwards if Juan is at 2b and eck is at ss, Juan has more range and a rocket for an arm, where as Eck has a weak arm. If we get eck it's an easy decision to move eck to 2nd. Thats true but I would want him to be comfortable here and remember, he's still not signed yet. If we told him we want him at secind, he might spurn us and go somewhere else to start at SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 If its Eckstein, it's going to be because he can hit LHP better than Willie. I could hit LHP better than Willie and I havent had an AB since High School. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Thats true but I would want him to be comfortable here and remember, he's still not signed yet. If we told him we want him at secind, he might spurn us and go somewhere else to start at SS. Then let him go! Spurn away! Since when do we roll out the red carpet for 360 OBP players that can't hit worth shiet? Some of you talk about Eck like he was Ozzie Smith or something. He was non-tendered by the Angels because they said no thank you we don't need you any more. I'd rather spend the money on G Zaun who's team is saying damn we really need you but I don't know if we can guarantee you the starting C spot or meet your salary demands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 "In an effort to accomplish one more piece of the puzzle, it's better if a I don't comment on any player that could fit into it," Williams said. " Ahhh Kenny going under the Radar. Can we get the Pic of Kenny in the F-18? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 If Eckstien can be brought over for the right price then I say pull the trigger. I wouldn't shed too many tears if it falls through but I still would like to see it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frahungski Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 it seems to me like cora would not be that much of an improvement on willie. on the other hand eck should be more versatile, while brining leadership and experience. he has a ring, right? i just don't see any reason why we would pursue cora if we've already got willie. aren't their stats pretty close? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmatt Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 it seems to me like cora would not be that much of an improvement on willie. on the other hand eck should be more versatile, while brining leadership and experience. he has a ring, right? i just don't see any reason why we would pursue cora if we've already got willie. aren't their stats pretty close? Your right he wouldnt be much of an improvement. Their BA were about the same last year. Cora has always had a higher OBP though. Eck would be a more suitable upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 Let's just compare them shall we: A 72 Eckstein, David ANA R 4.24RPG 92R 156H 2HR 35RBI 16SB 42W 188TB 566ABS 211OB 415OUTS .671 OPS VS. LEFT: .279 / .697 VS. RIGHT: .274 / .659 HOME: .301 / .740 AWAY: .250 / .600 Among the league leaders in sac bunts, HBP, hit&run, toughest to strike out. Best suited for 2B with a weak arm & limited range. Sure-handed glove. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO B 30 Cairo, Miguel NYY R 5.25RPG 48R 105H 6HR 42RBI 11SB 18W 150TB 360ABS 137OB 258OUTS .763 OPS VS. LEFT: .336 / .822 VS. RIGHT: .267 / .730 HOME: .319 / .836 AWAY: .262 / .682 Good FB hitter. Good PH. Decent speed & good instincts. Best pos 2B. Good at turning DPs. Can adequately play SS, 3B, & LF. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS B 49 Cora, Alex LAD L 4.98RPG 47R 107H 10HR 47RBI 3SB 47W 154TB 405ABS 172OB 302OUTS .745 OPS VS. LEFT: .239 / .758 VS. RIGHT: .267 / .743 HOME: .282 / .750 AWAY: .248 / .739 Slap hitter. Solid DP guy. Excellent 2B. Weak arm for playing SS everyday. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Sorry. You have not convinced me. Cairo is the better overall utility player. His 11SB in 360ABS his indicative of his decent spped & good instincts. As I have been saying all along, add G Zaun & Miguel Cairo & were set. If we can big up another solid RP to fill the 7 player pen were done. If KW does all that he gets my nod for a quality off-season & considerable upgrade of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 Among the league leaders in sac bunts, HBP, hit&run, toughest to strike out. Best suited for 2B with a weak arm & limited range. Sure-handed glove. As I stated earlier, Jugger, I agree with you on Zaun and Cairo. But that quote above is exactly the reason why Eck would make a good fit for the Sox. He'd bring a lot skills to the team that is sorely lacking. Hitting 2nd, playing 2nd ... he'd be an asset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 I really think it'll come down to who the Cardinals want, and the White Sox will get the guy who's left over. The Cardinals have a starting spot at 2B open, assuming they don't go with Bo Hart. On the Cardinals website, Jocketty says they're working hard on solving the 2B spot but won't have it done by the holidays. Further, it states they'll likely go the FA route vs. a trade. The Cardinals are probably a more desireable destination for both Alex Cora and Miguel Cairo, seeing as the Cards were in the World Series. Plus, Cairo used to play there and Cora wouldn't have to switch leagues. The key though, is the Cardinals can offer a starting job, like they did with Eckstein. That means more $$. I'd expect the Sox to get whomever the Cardinals don't choose. Just a guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 I really think it'll come down to who the Cardinals want, and the White Sox will get the guy who's left over. The Cardinals have a starting spot at 2B open, assuming they don't go with Bo Hart. On the Cardinals website, Jocketty says they're working hard on solving the 2B spot but won't have it done by the holidays. Further, it states they'll likely go the FA route vs. a trade. The Cardinals are probably a more desireable destination for both Alex Cora and Miguel Cairo, seeing as the Cards were in the World Series. Plus, Cairo used to play there and Cora wouldn't have to switch leagues. The key though, is the Cardinals can offer a starting job, like they did with Eckstein. That means more $$. I'd expect the Sox to get whomever the Cardinals don't choose. Just a guess. reasonable and quite logical conclusion. Therefore based on your analysis we should offer one of these guys the starting spot.If we don't then we won't get either one of them. As you know, I think Harris blows and we will never win with him. Therefore, its my opinion if we want one of these guys we need to offer them the starting spot. if we don't we will not get either of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 I do not see why Harris would get the starting job over Cairo. Cairo offers much more than Harris. He has good speed, instincts, & can hit. He can play LF, SS, 3B, 2B, 1B w/out any drop off. This is a real no-brainer. Sign Cairo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 24, 2004 Author Share Posted December 24, 2004 I didn't know this before but Cairo is Venezuelan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 24, 2004 Share Posted December 24, 2004 I don't think we should "offer" the starting job to either one. Let them earn it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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