Baseball gods I need some help here for my 77 year old uncle. Last nights game there were two errors which led to Rockies runs in the first and second. Why were those runs earned. In every newspaper and every box score on the net claimed the runs were earned. I need to better understand why. I know there are soem very smart kids out there. So have at it.

Baseball gods I need some help here for my 77 year old uncle. Last nights game there were two errors which led to Rockies runs in the first and second. Why were those runs earned. In every newspaper and every box score on the net claimed the runs were earned. I need to better understand why. I know there are soem very smart kids out there. So have at it.

 

damn, Hawk explained it too, and I cant remember. Do you remember the situations with the errors? Maybe that would help stimulate my memory.

In the first, the error allowed Sullivan to get to third on the steal of 2nd. Helton singled - so it was ruled that Sullivan would have scored on that hit anyway - therefore the error had no difference on Sullivan scoring, so it's earned.

 

In the 2nd, the error on Ozuna had a run score and a guy move to 3rd. However, remember that it was a single with an error. After 2 strike outs, there was a single and a double, so it was ruled that those base runners would have scored anyway, and the extra bases that Ozuna game them were irrelevant.

 

Hope that makes sense. Many times you have to figure out the impact the errors had AFTER the inning is over. It can't always be ruled that "those runs will be unearned" right when an error happens.

damn, Hawk explained it too, and I cant remember. Do you remember the situations with the errors?  Maybe that would help stimulate my memory.

 

 

Sure : first inning- Sullivan leads off with a single, sullivan steals 2nd and goes to third on a wdger error(Throw) scores on heltons single.

 

2nd inning: atkins leads off with single, Garalto singeled and advances to thrid on Ozunas throwing error. Atkins comes home on the error.

I have no clue, but I suspect it has something to do with those runners were attributed to the pitcher, having not reached on an error, but simply scored on one.

In the first, the error allowed Sullivan to get to third on the steal of 2nd. Helton singled - so it was ruled that Sullivan would have scored on that hit anyway - therefore the error had no difference on Sullivan scoring, so it's earned.

 

In the 2nd, the error on Ozuna had a run score and a guy move to 3rd. However, remember that it was a single with an error. After 2 strike outs, there was a single and a double, so it was ruled that those base runners would have scored anyway, and the extra bases that Ozuna game them were irrelevant.

 

Hope that makes sense. Many times you have to figure out the impact the errors had AFTER the inning is over. It can't always be ruled that "those runs will be unearned" right when an error happens.

 

 

Very good explaination, thanks for that

In the first, the error allowed Sullivan to get to third on the steal of 2nd. Helton singled - so it was ruled that Sullivan would have scored on that hit anyway - therefore the error had no difference on Sullivan scoring, so it's earned.

 

In the 2nd, the error on Ozuna had a run score and a guy move to 3rd. However, remember that it was a single with an error. After 2 strike outs, there was a single and a double, so it was ruled that those base runners would have scored anyway, and the extra bases that Ozuna game them were irrelevant.

 

Hope that makes sense. Many times you have to figure out the impact the errors had AFTER the inning is over. It can't always be ruled that "those runs will be unearned" right when an error happens.

are you implying that you are a baseball god???

 

You are spot on in your explanation. If there hadnt been a double, the runs would not have been earned. The scorer at the game was bad in my opinion when they gave the rockies a stolen base in the 9th however.

damn, Hawk explained it too, and I cant remember. Do you remember the situations with the errors?  Maybe that would help stimulate my memory.

 

The runs were earned when the double was hit. Wasn't the play a hit and error on the throw to allow the runners to advance?

are you implying that you are a baseball god???

 

You are spot on in your explanation.  If there hadnt been a double, the runs would not have been earned.  The scorer at the game was bad in my opinion when they gave the rockies a stolen base in the 9th however.

there was a lot of ridiculous calls in the series, they still need to straighten out that yellow line rule for home runs

No, i'm not implying i'm a baseball god...but i have been keeping score at games for a few years and have always paid attention to how things are scored and for what reason.

 

And you are correct in saying that if there wasn't a double they wouldn't be earned. That's why you have to think about errors and runs after the inning is over.

No, i'm not implying i'm a baseball god...

stop being modest.

have a red stripe

On a side note, Ozuna had a very rough go at third base yesterday. It made me appreciate crede's defense. In the first two innings, Ozuna was thrown out twice, and made two throwing errors. Thats a tough game. Yet he still came out of the game 3/5 with a run scored. Not too bad, but not too good.

The first error - a throw to 2nd by Widger - was during a steal attempt by Chris Sullivan. Since he was already a baserunner his run counts.

 

The second error - Ozuna's throw - wouldn't have impacted Garabito reaching. He got a single without benefit of an error. Interestingly, he did not receive an RBI for the Atkins run.

 

Here's a description for error that may explain the second error scenario better. http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Error...l_statistics%29

stop being modest.

have a red stripe 

 

HOORAY RESPONSIBILITY

are you implying that you are a baseball god???

 

You are spot on in your explanation.  If there hadnt been a double, the runs would not have been earned.  The scorer at the game was bad in my opinion when they gave the rockies a stolen base in the 9th however.

 

 

I was listening to Farmer and Rooney when the steal happend and they were saying something how it shouldnt have been scored a SB and they ripped on the scorer. I didnt get to see it and they didnt really explain what happend so can you fill me in why it shouldnot have been

On another note, i was i was an official scorer.

That's probably the best job ever.

The first error - a throw to 2nd by Widger - was during a steal attempt by Chris Sullivan. Since he was already a baserunner his run counts.

 

The second error - Ozuna's throw - wouldn't have impacted Garabito reaching. He got a single without benefit of an error. Interestingly, he did not receive an RBI for the Atkins run.

 

Here's a description for error that may explain the second error scenario better. http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Error...l_statistics%29

 

Not quite.

 

If Sullivan scored on a SAC Fly, and the inning ended without any more hits or what not, the run would be unearned, because the errant throw allowed him to score. He wouldn't have scored from 2nd on a SAC Fly. It's not just because he was a base runner already the run counts.

Not quite.

 

If Sullivan scored on a SAC Fly, and the inning ended without any more hits or what not, the run would be unearned, because the errant throw allowed him to score. He wouldn't have scored from 2nd on a SAC Fly. It's not just because he was a base runner already the run counts.

 

Yea I read the posts that were made while I was compiling mine. It's all about the double (which is perfectly logical).

No, i'm not implying i'm a baseball god...but i have been keeping score at games for a few years and have always paid attention to how things are scored and for what reason.

 

And you are correct in saying that if there wasn't a double they wouldn't be earned. That's why you have to think about errors and runs after the inning is over.

 

Official scorer would be a great job.

No, i'm not implying i'm a baseball god...

 

 

 

Umping, I'm sure, doesn't hurt when explaining the rules..

Umping, I'm sure, doesn't hurt when explaining the rules..

 

Yeah it helps a bit