VAfan Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 Let's talk about our Cuban pitchers. Do we really need Jason Schmidt or Ted Lilly or (fill-in-the-blank) if one or both of these guys can be brought along to October? Contreras seems to be pitching like he did his first year for the Yankees. If they can speed him up, get him to throw more fast balls and more strikes, isn't he potentially going to as good as just about any starter we might trade for other than Roger Clemens? And El Duque still seems to have it as long as his arm is rested. The 5th starter slot needs to be used only 3 times in July. Why not give El Duque the month off and see if McCarthy can rediscover his ST magic? So my feeling is that we shouldn't be trading for a starter unless the starter is clearly better not only than these guys, but would shift the whole playoff rotation a notch to improve our matchups in all games. Like Roger Clemens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 well Jason Schmidt is the closest thing we are going to get to Roger Clemens.... Astro's probably wont trade him just because of the fans he brings to the park and Clemens wont go anywhere besides the yanks or rangers. and with how El Duque has pitched, well Id say we definitly need an ace to anchor this staff along side Buehrle.... so Yes to Schmidt No to Lilly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 if we get schmidt that wud be amazing. but i dont see that happening. No to lilly. ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 05:50 PM) well Jason Schmidt is the closest thing we are going to get to Roger Clemens.... Astro's probably wont trade him just because of the fans he brings to the park and Clemens wont go anywhere besides the yanks or rangers. and with how El Duque has pitched, well Id say we definitly need an ace to anchor this staff along side Buehrle.... so Yes to Schmidt No to Lilly If Schmidt is significantly better than one of our top 3 starters, it's something to consider. Don't know his contract status, but if it's strictly a 3 month rent, then we should pay a low price. If we must rent, I would rather the sure bet - rent Clemens. El D and Contreras won't help in the playoffs, except out of the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 Steve Stone said in the Sun Times that he thought IF Houston become sellers, the Sox would make a run at Lidge. He said, and is correct, that Lidge in a short series can be a dominant pitcher and difference maker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 Lidge doesn't just miss bats, he misses great bats. He could blow away A-rod and Sheffield. I'd mortgage the farm for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 12:33 PM) Lidge doesn't just miss bats, he misses great bats. He could blow away A-rod and Sheffield. I'd mortgage the farm for him. I think I would too. I think all Count and El Duque is perform decent enough to win every 4th or 5th day which they have done better than what most thought in ST. Playoff rotation would probably be Buehrle, Garcia, Garland. I think Count and El Duque would be excellent out of the bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsox08 Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 I would love getting Schmidt and putting him at #4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Osuna Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 el conde and el duque are just not getting it done anymore; they've fallen back to Earth after amazing starts. For all we know, Garland will do the same before too long; I'm certainly hoping he won't, but let's assume worst-case scenario. We need 3-4 aces to both lock up the division and go deep into the playoffs. Buerhle and Garcia are passable in that role; Garland might be, but let's not count on him just We need Schmidt, badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 QUOTE(Antonio Osuna @ Jun 26, 2005 -> 12:17 PM) el conde and el duque are just not getting it done anymore; they've fallen back to Earth after amazing starts. For all we know, Garland will do the same before too long; I'm certainly hoping he won't, but let's assume worst-case scenario. We need 3-4 aces to both lock up the division and go deep into the playoffs. Buerhle and Garcia are passable in that role; Garland might be, but let's not count on him just We need Schmidt, badly. You have to be the most pessimistic person I've ever known. Buehrle and Garcia are passable?? Despite yesterday's debacle, Contreras is still at the top of the AL for OBA. We don't need Schmidt badly. He would be a luxury at this point, not a necessity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 QUOTE(Antonio Osuna @ Jun 26, 2005 -> 01:17 PM) el conde and el duque are just not getting it done anymore; they've fallen back to Earth after amazing starts. For all we know, Garland will do the same before too long; I'm certainly hoping he won't, but let's assume worst-case scenario. We need 3-4 aces to both lock up the division and go deep into the playoffs. Buerhle and Garcia are passable in that role; Garland might be, but let's not count on him just We need Schmidt, badly. No team has four aces. None. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 QUOTE(wsox08 @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 11:57 PM) I would love getting Schmidt and putting him at #4 as much as we all would love it i frankly dont see it happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 QUOTE(Antonio Osuna @ Jun 26, 2005 -> 01:17 PM) el conde and el duque are just not getting it done anymore; they've fallen back to Earth after amazing starts. For all we know, Garland will do the same before too long; I'm certainly hoping he won't, but let's assume worst-case scenario. We need 3-4 aces to both lock up the division and go deep into the playoffs. Buerhle and Garcia are passable in that role; Garland might be, but let's not count on him just We need Schmidt, badly. This from a guy with a screenname from a mediocre middle reliever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 Yes to Schmidt Yes to Oswalt Yes to Clemens No to Lilly It's that simple. I would trade BMac, Anderson, and another prospect for one of those 3 guys. It's not too steep of a price for an ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Osuna Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 This from a guy with a screenname from a mediocre middle reliever... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Antonio Osuna helped this team out big time twice: once by stepping up into the closer's role when a hole opened up there, and once by getting traded to the Yankees in the deal that sent us Bartolo Colon. His contributions to this ballclub should not be underestimated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 QUOTE(Antonio Osuna @ Jun 26, 2005 -> 05:03 PM) Antonio Osuna helped this team out big time twice: once by stepping up into the closer's role when a hole opened up there, and once by getting traded to the Yankees in the deal that sent us Bartolo Colon. His contributions to this ballclub should not be underestimated. But not really... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Osuna Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 But not really... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm not claiming that Antonio Osuna was the second coming of anyone except a solid bullpen arm; I'm just saying that he's not to be needlessly insulted. The Sox could use another Osuna in the bullpen this season in place of Vizcaino. Both Contreras and Hernandez have the capability, in my view, to become solid long relievers who will make us forget the name of Antonio Osuna, but first we need some starting help. That's Kenny's job right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted June 26, 2005 Author Share Posted June 26, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Jun 25, 2005 -> 06:33 PM) Lidge doesn't just miss bats, he misses great bats. He could blow away A-rod and Sheffield. I'd mortgage the farm for him. Look at Lidge's game by game numbers. The majority of the time he is giving up baserunners, and he's giving up runs more often than Neal Cotts, Cliff Politte, or Dustin Hermanson. Plus why does Houston have to move him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrzo2733 Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 26, 2005 -> 02:53 PM) Yes to Schmidt Yes to Oswalt Yes to Clemens No to Lilly It's that simple. I would trade BMac, Anderson, and another prospect for one of those 3 guys. It's not too steep of a price for an ace. I agree. I would give up whatever it took to get Oswalt, Clemens, or a for sure healthy Schmidt. Ditto for Lidge. Lilly doesn't make much sense to me. We need another pitcher and whoever it is needs to be dominating. If we got any of those guys I would really like our chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Would love to see the Sox get Schmidt but I don't think it's going to happen. I definately would feel better if we picked up another ace. I think the Cubans have given us their best, but will be below average for the most part here on out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 QUOTE(Stephen @ Jun 27, 2005 -> 01:24 AM) Would love to see the Sox get Schmidt but I don't think it's going to happen. I definately would feel better if we picked up another ace. I think the Cubans have given us their best, but will be below average for the most part here on out. Valid points. Welcome to Soxtalk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 I wouldn't give up anything for clemens. He is too old and would not resign. 20 million a year? No thanks. There is no option of his coming here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 27, 2005 -> 01:28 AM) Valid points. Welcome to Soxtalk. Glad to be here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 27, 2005 -> 01:30 AM) I wouldn't give up anything for clemens. He is too old and would not resign. 20 million a year? No thanks. There is no option of his coming here. He wouldn't come here anyway, so it's kinda a moot point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 27, 2005 -> 01:31 AM) He wouldn't come here anyway, so it's kinda a moot point. Exactly. But we will hear about it until the deadline, alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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