Comparing him to Gio is totally different. Gio is rated as one of our top pitching prospects. He is succeding in A ball. Gio hasn't pitched in AA, AAA, or Spring Training.

No, its the same Gio puts up good numbers in winston salem and if gio were in AAA his numbers would be the same if not worse the McCarthy's.

Overrated are players that make more than they should, and players that get pumped up in the media when they don't deserve to. A lot of White Sox fans would tell you that Paul Konerko is overrated.

Many smart fans would say BMac is overrated. Money has little to do with being overrated. Especially if you are a prospect. You can't argue with PK's production, you CAN argue with BMac's production. After ST, everyone thought BMac was ready for the bigs. He blew in AAA, we brought him up, and he blew in MLB. Moot point...

Comparing him to Gio is totally different. Gio is rated as one of our top pitching prospects. He is succeding in A ball. Gio hasn't pitched in AA, AAA, or Spring Training.

And that's Brandon McCarthy this time last season. See the comparison?

He's still only 190 pounds, he's going to bulk up in the next few years and probably add a few more MPH like you said he needs. It's like Neal Cotts. In SoxFan's books, he wouldn't have done anything 2 months ago. Now he's probably our most dominating lefty out of the pen. And that's because the Sox had PATIENCE with him at the major league level, even though the majority of Sox fans were calling for him to have his ass demoted to Charlotte ASAP. It takes TIME.

 

The main reason Cotts is better now is his control. Remember how awful his control was in the past? I mean, he wasn't even close to the plate.

Comparing him to Gio is totally different. Gio is rated as one of our top pitching prospects. He is succeding in A ball. Gio hasn't pitched in AA, AAA, or Spring Training.

Gio seems to be on the same path that Brandon went through. Next year we might have a discussion like this about Gio you never f'n know, what DBAHO is saying is right on, he got through the system so quickly and impressed the hell out of Ozzie, Ozzie wanted him up with the big league club, he's not ready(not overrated) and he struggled for 60 percent of his starts, the end. Let him work out some kinks in the minors and we'll have ourselves one hell of a pitcher within the next year or two.

And that's Brandon McCarthy this time last season. See the comparison?

Yes DBAHO I do thats why a agree with everything you and Kalapse are saying

Many smart fans would say BMac is overrated. Money has little to do with being overrated. Especially if you are a prospect. You can't argue with PK's production, you CAN argue with BMac's production. After ST, everyone thought BMac was ready for the bigs. He blew in AAA, we brought him up, and he blew in MLB. Moot point...

I for one didn't think he was ready, and like I've said he should have been sent back to B-Ham. And like I've said, McCarthy would probably be having success for a team like Detroit if he got to pitch half his games at Comerica instead of the Cell.

He's still only 190 pounds, he's going to bulk up in the next few years and probably add a few more MPH like you said he needs. It's like Neal Cotts. In SoxFan's books, he wouldn't have done anything 2 months ago. Now he's probably our most dominating lefty out of the pen. And that's because the Sox had PATIENCE with him at the major league level, even though the majority of Sox fans were calling for him to have his ass demoted to Charlotte ASAP. It takes TIME.

Contrary to Cotts, BMac never had previous AAA success of even a sliver of MLB success. Cott's was groomed into what he is today. No, he is not our most dominationg lefty out of the pen. He is 2nd, behind Marte. Duh....

The main reason Cotts is better now is his control.  Remember how awful his control was in the past?  I mean, he wasn't even close to the plate.

And that was because of a simple adjustment he had to make. See how it can change so easily? That's why I'm saying it's unfair to give up on a guy who hasn't performed in the majors straight away when he shouldn't have even been up there in the 1st place.

You guys all make solid points, but that doesn't mean that people didn't overrate McCarthy in ST and before he was called up. Just cause someone's overrated, it doesn't mean they can't succeed in the future.

Gio seems to be on the same path that Brandon went through.  Next year we might have a discussion like this about Gio you never f'n know, what DBAHO is saying is right on, he got through the system so quickly and impressed the hell out of Ozzie, Ozzie wanted him up with the big league club, he's not ready(not overrated) and he struggled for 60 percent of his starts, the end.  Let him work out some kinks in the minors and we'll have ourselves one hell of a pitcher within the next year or two.

If Gio continues success in A, succeeds in AA, has a wonderful ST and then is put in BMac's position, it would be plain stupid. BMac was sorely misused and mistreated. I agree, BMac should not be in AAA, therefore, further backing my belief that he is not ready and has amounted to nothing yet...

And that was because of a simple adjustment he had to make. See how it can change so easily? That's why I'm saying it's unfair to give up on a guy who hasn't performed in the majors straight away when he shouldn't have even been up there in the 1st place.

 

Once again, I'm not giving up on him. However, there's a difference between the adjustment Cotts made, and what McCarthy needs to improve on. One is more mental, while the other is McCarthy's stuff.

Contrary to Cotts, BMac never had previous AAA success of even a sliver of MLB success. Cott's was groomed into what he is today. No, he is not our most dominationg lefty out of the pen. He is 2nd, behind Marte. Duh....

So you would say based on this season, Marte has been better than Cotts? And Neal Cotts didn't pitch in AAA ball, he came straight from Birmingham. He has never pitched in Charlotte.

Contrary to Cotts, BMac never had previous AAA success

Neal never pitched in aaa, try again.

If Gio continues success in A, succeeds in AA, has a wonderful ST and then is put in BMac's position, it would be plain stupid. BMac was sorely misused and mistreated. I agree, BMac should not be in AAA, therefore, further backing my belief that he is not ready and has amounted to nothing yet...

BMac should be in AA.

Contreras is having a better season than Burnett or Schmidt and he's way better than McCarthy.

 

So unless we're getting Roger Clemens, I'll stick with Jose, even though he does frustrate at times.

Once again, I'm not giving up on him.  However, there's a difference between the adjustment Cotts made, and what McCarthy needs to improve on.  One is more mental, while the other is McCarthy's stuff.

And because of McCarthy's frame he's probably going to fill out and add that little bit of extra velocity that he is going to need. It's not like Cotts throws real dominating stuff anyway.

And Neal Cotts didn't pitch in AAA ball, he came straight from Birmingham. He has never pitched in Charlotte.

Damn aussy beat me to it.

Neal never pitched in aaa, try again.

And yet when he came up to the majors he struggled like McCarthy. See the comparison, and the benefits we're seeing with Cotts now?

BMac should be in AA.

 

I severely disagree. McCarthy should be in AAA. It will teach him to keep the ball in the park. In AAA, instead of facing a bunch of prospects who will swing at everything, he'll get more used to facing ex MLB players who might have better strike zone judgment. Remember the game against KC where McCarthy couldn't strike out a single batter? That's something that he needs to improve on.

So you would say based on this season, Marte has been better than Cotts? And Neal Cotts didn't pitch in AAA ball, he came straight from Birmingham. He has never pitched in Charlotte.

Based on this season, yes, Cotts is better than Marte but the difference is that Marte has shown previous MLB dominance in which case BMac hasn;t shown in AAA or MLB.

 

And the AAA for Cotts was a typo....

I severely disagree.  McCarthy should be in AAA.  It will teach him to keep the ball in the park.  In AAA, instead of facing a bunch of prospects who will swing at everything, he'll get more used to facing ex MLB players who might have better strike zone judgment.  Remember the game against KC where McCarthy couldn't strike out a single batter?  That's something that he needs to improve on.

Its hard to learn when you have no confidence

BMac should be in AA.

 

Damn, he's a drunk too.

And because of McCarthy's frame he's probably going to fill out and add that little bit of extra velocity that he is going to need. It's not like Cotts throws real dominating stuff anyway.

 

Cotts big advantage is being a lefty with a deceptive delivery.

Its hard to learn when you have no confidence

A hah! Look at Contreras, how is he to learn and better himself, especially in the postseason....without confidence?????