Burnett v. Contreras

[VAfan]

AJ Burnett's numbers

 

DATE GAME W L ERA IP H R ER HR BB SO NP-S GO-AO

APR 07 ATL 0 1 3.00 6.0 7 4 2 0 2 6 86-55 9-3

APR 12 PHI 1 0 2.40 9.0 8 2 2 0 0 3 103-71 16-8

APR 17 @NYN 1 0 2.25 9.0 4 2 2 1 3 5 105-70 16-5

APR 22 CIN 0 0 2.40 6.0 4 2 2 0 5 13 115-68 5-0

APR 29 @PHI 1 0 2.43 7.0 5 2 2 1 1 8 105-67 9-4

 

MAY 04 @ATL 0 1 2.72 6.0 9 3 3 2 2 8 96-61 7-3

MAY 09 HOU 0 1 2.70 7.0 6 2 2 0 1 9 109-68 6-5

MAY 15 @SDN 0 1 3.05 6.0 8 5 4 0 4 4 114-65 7-6

MAY 21 TBA 0 0 3.19 6.0 3 3 3 1 3 6 98-59 5-6

MAY 31 @PIT 0 0 2.91 6.0 4 3 0 0 2 2 96-56 12-4

 

JUN 05 @WAS 0 0 3.03 6.1 6 3 3 0 1 6 98-63 8-5

JUN 10 TEX 0 0 3.09 7.1 7 3 3 0 3 10 111-70 8-4

JUN 15 @CHN 1 0 3.36 6.2 11 5 5 1 1 2 105-75 9-9

JUN 21 @ATL 0 1 3.43 6.0 6 3 3 0 3 4 105-66 12-2

JUN 26 @TBA 1 0 3.14 9.0 2 0 0 0 2 7 123-76 16-4

 

JUL 01 @NYN 0 0 3.18 4.1 5 5 2 0 2 4 87-54 5-4

JUL 06 MIL 0 0 3.33 6.0 4 4 4 0 5 14 125-74 4-0

JUL 14 @PHI 0 1 3.64 5.0 6 6 6 3 4 3 86-47 5-6

JUL 19 @ARI 1 0 3.68 6.0 6 3 3 0 3 6 112-68 8-4

 

Contreras's numbers

 

DATE GAME W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO NP-S GO-AO

APR 07 CLE 0 0 1.50 6.0 4 1 1 0 2 4 96-62 11-3

APR 13 @CLE 0 0 3.55 6.2 5 4 4 1 5 3 104-55 5-11

APR 18 MIN 0 0 3.63 4.2 6 3 2 0 4 2 104-62 7-5

APR 23 @KCA 0 0 3.48 3.1 1 1 1 1 1 6 61-36 2-2

APR 29 DET 0 0 3.04 6.0 3 1 1 1 3 6 113-63 7-5

 

MAY 05 KCA 1 0 2.60 8.0 4 1 1 1 1 6 102-69 8-9

MAY 10 @TBA 0 0 3.18 5.0 5 4 4 1 5 3 90-51 5-7

MAY 15 BAL 0 1 3.52 6.1 7 5 4 2 1 4 100-62 9-6

MAY 21 @CHN 1 0 3.23 7.0 4 1 1 0 1 4 78-52 8-9

MAY 26 @ANA 0 1 3.30 7.0 4 3 3 1 1 9 95-65 5-7

 

JUN 01 ANA 0 0 3.27 6.0 5 4 2 1 3 4 102-66 8-6

JUN 07 @COL 1 0 3.13 6.0 5 1 1 0 2 6 103-64 4-8

JUN 13 ARI 0 1 3.81 6.0 9 8 8 4 3 4 118-65 4-10

JUN 19 LAN 0 0 3.83 6.2 6 3 3 0 4 5 102-61 8-7

JUN 25 CHN 0 1 4.15 6.1 8 6 6 1 2 3 105-61 7-8

 

JUL 01 @OAK 0 1 4.34 4.1 4 4 4 0 7 2 97-50 5-6

JUL 06 TBA 1 0 4.26 6.0 6 2 2 2 3 1 85-51 4-12

JUL 14 @CLE 1 0 3.99 7.0 3 0 0 0 3 7 97-62 4-10

JUL 19 DET 0 1 4.34 5.2 8 7 7 1 0 4 94-67 7-6

 

Why do I put up these numbers?

 

I'm not sold on selling out our team for an AJ Burnett trade. I have questions about how he'll translate into the AL (I expect it might move his ERA from 3.68 up to 4.00 or higher). Given his wildness, he's basically a 6 inning pitcher (and likely will struggle some against patient clubs like Boston, Oakland, or NYY). And he's had durability issues throughout his career.

 

I would not weaken our bullpen as part of the deal (Marte). Nor would I give up BMac or another top prospect in the bargain. (And I certainly would not be willing to take on Mike Lowell's contract.) But I would be willing to support a trade for Burnett if Jose Contreras were the primary pitcher we gave up in the deal. To that I would be willing to add Jeff Bajenaru and possibly one or two other B-level prospects.

 

Of course if we sent Contreras to FL for Burnett, that would prevent us from flipping Burnett to the Phillies for Wagner, but I think that's a pipe dream anyway. And since Wagner will not likely re-sign with us next year, while Burnett might, I'm not sure it's such a good move anyway.

[SnB]

selling out our team?

 

he's worth giving up a prospect and marte for. that's not selling out the team.

[nitetrain8601]

Again, no point in trading Contreras for him. Jose is still signed through next year and will be cheaper next year. I would trade BMac and Baj for him. Maybe Marte(only if we are somehow getting Wagner or EG).

[WSFAN35]

selling out our team?

 

he's worth giving up a prospect and marte for.  that's not selling out the team.

 

Sorry, but the fish aren't going to take a prospect and Marte for Burnett. Someone is going to overpay for him, as well as take on Lowell's fat contract. Burnett won't be coming to the southside.

[CWSGuy406]

Sorry, but the fish aren't going to take a prospect and Marte for Burnett.  Someone is going to overpay for him, as well as take on Lowell's fat contract.  Burnett won't be coming to the southside.

 

The Marlins are backing off on making a team take Lowell along with Burnett. That's what was reported earlier by ESPN.

[Whitewashed in '05]

Dealing for Burnett is a huge risk, it isn't like we have someone ready to take Marte's spot. We have Cotts, Politte and a shaky Hermy without Marte, with how our SP are, dealing Marte would hurt us unless there was another trade to replace him. Count in the bullpen scares me and El Duque in there isn't exactly comforting.

 

Not only is Marte's departure something to think about but the fact that you don't know how Burnett is going to transition to the AL. Could be bad or it could be great. KW better know what he is doing if he does deal for Burnett because this deal could be good or bad for us. I really don't know if getting Burnett would be a great idea.

[VAfan]

According to Jayson Stark, the White Sox are talking BMac AND Politte or Cotts or Jenks (not Marte) AND Contreras as a "second piece in the deal."

 

Now, I don't believe this. But it would be a terrible trade for the Sox if true.

 

The only player currently on the Sox major league club I'd give up for Burnett would be Contreras. He's better than Bronson Arroyo or anyone the Yankees could dredge up. So I don't see why KW doesn't just call Florida's bluff. Burnett is not signed next year; Contreras is. The numbers above suggest they would be getting a comparable pitcher they could put right into their rotation. And he might even draw some Cuban fans.

 

Beyond that, Jeff Bejanaru and B-listers. No BMac. No Anderson. No Sweeney or Young.

 

DON'T CAVE IN, KW.

 

With Hermanson unable to pitch back to back to back, we need a 5-deep bullpen in the postseason, and since Wagner, Guardado, etc. are not getting moved, we can't afford to surrender any bullpen pitchers we currently have other than Takatsu.

[SoxFanForever]

According to Jayson Stark, the White Sox are talking BMac AND Politte or Cotts or Jenks (not Marte) AND Contreras as a "second piece in the deal." 

 

Now, I don't believe this.  But it would be a terrible trade for the Sox if true.

 

The only player currently on the Sox major league club I'd give up for Burnett would be Contreras.  He's better than Bronson Arroyo or anyone the Yankees could dredge up.  So I don't see why KW doesn't just call Florida's bluff.  Burnett is not signed next year; Contreras is.  The numbers above suggest they would be getting a comparable pitcher they could put right into their rotation.  And he might even draw some Cuban fans. 

 

Beyond that, Jeff Bejanaru and B-listers.  No BMac.  No Anderson.  No Sweeney or Young. 

 

DON'T CAVE IN, KW. 

 

With Hermanson unable to pitch back to back to back, we need a 5-deep bullpen in the postseason, and since Wagner, Guardado, etc. are not getting moved, we can't afford to surrender any bullpen pitchers we currently have other than Takatsu.

 

 

Maybe the second part of the deal with Count is to land a guy like Mota?

[fathom]

KW.....please step away from Florida! Why couldn't the Orioles just close the deal for AJB?

[CWSGuy406]

I really don't like a deal that sends Cotts/Politte/Marte/Jenks to Florida... Not one bit.

[fathom]

I really don't like a deal that sends Cotts/Politte/Marte/Jenks to Florida...  Not one bit.

 

Not at all. Especially considering it's not like AJB is a certified ace who we could just stick him in the rotation, and know he's going to help our team.

[AddisonStSox]

Sorry, but the fish aren't going to take a prospect and Marte for Burnett.  Someone is going to overpay for him, as well as take on Lowell's fat contract.  Burnett won't be coming to the southside.

 

No, actually, it appears the Marlins are going to be knocking at Kenny's door from now until the end of the month. Everyone else has backed off, and I hear talks with the O's are almost at a complete stand-still.

 

If Kenny plays his cards right, he may find the Marlins scrapping for a move and snag Burnett for half of what was orignally expected.

[Milkman delivers]

If that trade happened, I would probably watch half the games the rest of the year at most. That's just way too s***ty of a trade.

[fathom]

If that trade happened, I would probably watch half the games the rest of the year at most.  That's just way too s***ty of a trade.

 

Hey buddy, I'll call your bluff. You'd be watching every second of every game possible!

[nitetrain8601]

I'd give them BMac, Young and Baj and tell them to STFU and take it or be stuck with someone who's leaving at the end of the year.

[Milkman delivers]

Hey buddy, I'll call your bluff.  You'd be watching every second of every game possible!

 

Yeah, you're probably right. I'd watch if they had a fire sale, but man will I be pissed if we get ripped off for Burnett. He's hardly a sure thing, and I wouldn't weaken our starting pitching, bullpen, and give up a great prospect for him. KW's not that big of an ass...I hope

[Whitewashed in '05]

This is plain and simple, we just can't lose anyone in the bullpen right now their all very important and a big part of this teams success.

 

I don't know what Odalis would cost us but I've wanted him for a long time.

[fathom]

I'd give them BMac, Young and Baj and tell them to STFU and take it or be stuck with someone who's leaving at the end of the year.

 

I wouldn't give up BMac and Young for someone that we probably wouldn't resign. Who are we kidding, we're not the Yankees where we can give up our best hitting and pitching prospects for someone who has never been an ace.

[fathom]

Yeah, you're probably right.  I'd watch if they had a fire sale, but man will I be pissed if we get ripped off for Burnett.  He's hardly a sure thing, and I wouldn't weaken our starting pitching, bullpen, and give up a great prospect for him.  KW's not that big of an ass...I hope

 

I hear you. I'm 100 pct serious when I stated the other day that I wished KW would just get the f*** away from talking to the Marlins.

[Milkman delivers]

I hear you.  I'm 100 pct serious when I stated the other day that I wished KW would just get the f*** away from talking to the Marlins.

 

I'd much rather have Schmidt, and I mean much. I'll take Burnett, just as long as it doesn't cost too much. This matters because I'm now the GM, of course.

[AddisonStSox]

I'd much rather have Schmidt, and I mean much.  I'll take Burnett, just as long as it doesn't cost too much.  This matters because I'm now the GM, of course.

 

Well played.

 

It's funny when posters get caught up acting as if they are on the Sox payroll. (present company included)

[fathom]

I'd much rather have Schmidt, and I mean much.  I'll take Burnett, just as long as it doesn't cost too much.  This matters because I'm now the GM, of course.

 

Completely agree with you. It's not like Schmidt would cost a lot more than AJB next season. There aren't a lot of pitchers on the market this offseason that will get a lot of money. AJB will be the prime candidate, and we already have 3 starting pitchers that will require a lot of money next season. I'd rather use the money to resign Garland, and round out our roster.

[nitetrain8601]

Schmidt is also worse than Burnett and Contreras this year. The whole point of a deal is to better our chances this year. SF wants to major league pitchers(keyword being major) for Schmidt. I'm not willing to do that at all.

[Milkman delivers]

Schmidt is also worse than Burnett and Contreras this year. The whole point of a deal is to better our chances this year. SF wants to major league pitchers(keyword being major) for Schmidt. I'm not willing to do that at all.

 

That asking price will go down, much like Burnett's has.

[AnthraxFan93]

That asking price will go down, much like Burnett's has.

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I hope so.. Schimdt is a better deal than Burnett...

 

And I love Burnett, but not for the risk that he brings to the table