The Ginger Kid Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 The A's TV crew had a very interesting comparison tonight of Zito and Buehrle. They've both played six seasons in the league but Zito gets far more pub. Take a look at the numbers, however: Buehrle: AGE: 27 ERA 3.58 RECORD 91-55 IP 1292.2 GS 182 Zito: AGE: 28 ERA 3.48 RECORD 89-56 IP 1270.1 GS 198 Very comparable, but when you factor in that Zito's had 16 more starts and played on arguably better teams over the last 6 years, the edge goes to Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Zito Career ERA+ = 129 Buehrle Career ERA+ = 128 Therefore Zito is hella better. Also coincidentally, Buehrle debuted 6 games before Zito in '00. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 (edited) They are very similar in the stats you listed, but some others are very different: Buehrle: 19 CGs 757 Ks 297 BBs .261 BAA Zito: 9 CGs 989 Ks 490 BBs .227 BAA Also, Zito had one great year in 2002 (23-5, 2.75 ERA, 1.13 WHIP) that pads his stats a little, but since then he has gone 42-39. Buehrle was 19-12 in 2002, and he has gone 51-34 since 2002. So they are pretty similar but they got there different ways. Mark is much more consistent. Edited May 25, 2006 by RME JICO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 QUOTE(RME JICO @ May 25, 2006 -> 02:37 AM) They are very similar in the stats you listed, but some others are very different: Buehrle: 19 CGs 754 Ks 294 BBs .261 BAA Zito: 9 CGs 989 Ks 490 BBs .227 BAA Also, Zito had one great year in 2002 (23-5, 2.75 ERA, 1.13 WHIP) that pads his stats a little, but since then he has gone 42-39. Buehrle was 19-12 in 2002, and he has gone 51-34 since 2002. So they are pretty similar but they got there different ways. Mark is much more consistent. Zito may of had that one great year but he also had 1 really bad year in 2004 (11-11, 4.48 ERA, 1.39 WHIP) which evens it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaerulez Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 25, 2006 -> 02:23 AM) Zito Career ERA+ = 129 Buehrle Career ERA+ = 128 Therefore Zito is hella better. Also coincidentally, Buehrle debuted 6 games before Zito in '00. What? I'm not sure if that was sarcasm or not, but Zito isn't "hella better" than Buehrle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 I like the Tom Glavine comps better. Both Glavine and Buehrle beat their FIP numbers year after year by somehow "pitching to weak contact". That's my two cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 QUOTE(chaerulez @ May 25, 2006 -> 11:47 AM) What? I'm not sure if that was sarcasm or not, but Zito isn't "hella better" than Buehrle. You have been Kalapse'd as they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 QUOTE(chaerulez @ May 25, 2006 -> 06:47 AM) What? I'm not sure if that was sarcasm or not, but Zito isn't "hella better" than Buehrle. Kalapse likes to talk sarcastically but rarely recognizes or lets on that he is talking sarcastically. So, basically, you can end up arguing with him over something he agrees with you over or you can argue with him over something he disagrees with you over. Either way, you are going to argue with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 I think Zito is way overrated. Besides his great cy young year what has he done so great. Give me Buehrle any day over Zito. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 What is ERA+? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Interesting comparison. I think that Zito has better stuff, but Buehrle typically has better command. I think that Mark is more comparable to Pettite. Both max out their fastballs in the low 90s', have good-but-not-devastating breaking balls, have solid changeups, and run the cutter in on right-handed batters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ May 25, 2006 -> 12:21 PM) What is ERA+? The ratio of the league's ERA (adjusted to the pitcher's ballpark) to that of the pitcher so lgERA / ERA. 100 is about average, Jon Garland had a 105 ERA+ comming into this season. Edited May 25, 2006 by Kalapse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ May 25, 2006 -> 07:53 AM) Kalapse likes to talk sarcastically but rarely recognizes or lets on that he is talking sarcastically. So, basically, you can end up arguing with him over something he agrees with you over or you can argue with him over something he disagrees with you over. Either way, you are going to argue with him. To put it into short term... He is the A.J. Pierzynski of soxtalk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 QUOTE(SoxAce @ May 25, 2006 -> 12:17 PM) To put it into short term... He is the A.J. Pierzynski of soxtalk. (Beans kalapse) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Who's the Michael Barrett of soxtalk then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 QUOTE(knightni @ May 25, 2006 -> 04:54 PM) Who's the Michael Barrett of soxtalk then? SF1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ May 25, 2006 -> 03:54 PM) SF1. Actually he's a lot more like Timo than Barrett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 If Kalapse is AJ, then I am Barrett just for one quick second. *BOOM* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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