southsideirish71 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Israel sends tanks into Lebanon after Hezbollah attack Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Dan Halutz told Israeli Channel 10, "If the soldiers are not returned we will turn Lebanon's clock back 20 years Nice to see that Hezbollah couldnt leave this alone. That they had to join the mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 12, 2006 -> 11:15 AM) Israel sends tanks into Lebanon after Hezbollah attack Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Dan Halutz told Israeli Channel 10, "If the soldiers are not returned we will turn Lebanon's clock back 20 years Nice to see that Hezbollah couldnt leave this alone. That they had to join the mess. What do you know ... They're swinging that big stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 WaPo. "Look, we're used to it — 25 years, 26 years it's been like this," Hassan Qaryani, a 21-year-old butcher from Burj Rahal, said of the airstrikes. The kidnapping, he said, was "like a crown on my head . . . as soon as I heard the news I was overjoyed. It was like Italy winning the World Cup." In the southern suburbs of Beirut, people handed out candy in the streets and set off fireworks. Fireworks also were set off on the airport road, snarling traffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 12, 2006 -> 11:45 AM) WaPo. I hope he is overjoyed when the maverick missle brings down the house across the street. I hope they are giving candy out when the tanks roll through. What a bunch of retards. Praising a kidnapping like they won the world cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 12, 2006 -> 11:45 AM) WaPo. They won't be jumping for joy when the Israeli fireworks start flying. Latest news says Israel may target sites in Syria, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 QUOTE(Cknolls @ Jul 12, 2006 -> 02:41 PM) They won't be jumping for joy when the Israeli fireworks start flying. Latest news says Israel may target sites in Syria, too. Not very bright are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Jul 12, 2006 -> 04:17 PM) Not very bright are they? There's a real obvious joke about the Israeli bomb there which I'm not going to take... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 QUOTE(Cknolls @ Jul 12, 2006 -> 02:41 PM) They won't be jumping for joy when the Israeli fireworks start flying. Latest news says Israel may target sites in Syria, too. What do you guys think the odds are that this expands into a wider war in the region? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Jul 12, 2006 -> 04:20 PM) What do you guys think the odds are that this expands into a wider war in the region? If Israel were to launch a large scale attack on Syria, I'd say it'd be very likely. It might be able to be contained to just an operation in lebanon if they don't. My big worry might be the fact that there's already 1 civil war on in that region, and a 2nd simmering conflict would probably feed into that, and make both situations worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Jul 12, 2006 -> 06:20 PM) What do you guys think the odds are that this expands into a wider war in the region? This conflict can be contained if Iran wants it to be contained. After all they are the puppeteer of Hezbollah and to a greater extent the Lebanese Gov't. But, from listening to Ahmadinejad speak, I get the sense that Iran will not intervene anytime soon. QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 12, 2006 -> 06:19 PM) There's a real obvious joke about the Israeli bomb there which I'm not going to take... Actually, I was refering to Israeli F-16's dropping conventional ordnance on Damascus and Hezbollah targets in Syria. Not the A-Bomb. Israel is not that stupid, nor are they likely to use an A-bomb on Syria. I believe the more likely target to be Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 I highly doubt that this conflict will be nuclear in nature. Israel has not disclosed its weapons of mass destruction, although it is assumed that they have all three letters of the NBC variety. Today they bombed the Beirut airport. This whole situation just makes me sad to think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 The LAT ran with some interesting details on the actual attack that led to the capture of the 2 soliders this morning. In seizing the soldiers, Hezbollah staged what Israeli military officials acknowledged was a highly sophisticated, multi-pronged attack, a hallmark of the guerrilla group's operations during its long fight against Israeli troops in southern Lebanon. Hezbollah, which has since become a significant force in Lebanese politics, remains, in effect, the governing power in Lebanon's Shiite-dominated south. Under cover of rocket and shell fire at northern Israeli hamlets and border army outposts, the guerrillas sprayed gunfire at two armored Israeli jeeps patrolling the frontier. It was at the site of that attack, which left three soldiers dead, that the two Israelis were captured, Israeli news reports said. Israeli commanders, perhaps mindful that an army investigation of Shalit's capture had faulted troops at the scene for responding too slowly, ordered a hot pursuit into Lebanon. Once across the border, however, Israeli forces fell into an ambush. A tank drove over powerful explosives laid in its path about three miles inside Lebanon, and four soldiers died in the blast. A fifth was killed trying to recover the stricken tank. Multiple ambushes aimed at the Israelis. This took some serious planning on their part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 10:34 AM) The LAT ran with some interesting details on the actual attack that led to the capture of the 2 soliders this morning. Multiple ambushes aimed at the Israelis. This took some serious planning on their part. So they invaded Israel attacked, killed, and kidnapped soldiers, all while bombing northern Israel? Sounds to me like it is war already. You are right, this wasn't a couple of guy lobbing some missles or taking advantage of a random encounter, this was a preplanned, preemptive strike by Hezbollah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 11:50 AM) So they invaded Israel attacked, killed, and kidnapped soldiers, all while bombing northern Israel? Sounds to me like it is war already. You are right, this wasn't a couple of guy lobbing some missles or taking advantage of a random encounter, this was a preplanned, preemptive strike by Hezbollah. Don't tell that to Russia and France. http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle....&src=rss&rpc=22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 This is from a drudge link so take it FWIW, but supposedly the soliders might be sent to Iran. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid...icle%2FShowFull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 11:47 AM) This is from a drudge link so take it FWIW, but supposedly the soliders might be sent to Iran. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid...icle%2FShowFull Man, I'm struggling to find anything which could possibly be worse than that. It's also a Jerusalem post article, citing an unsourced leak from within the IDF, which means that either the IDF believes there's some nugget of truth to it, or the IDF is leaking it on purpose regardless of whether or not there is truth to it to try to build consensus for adding Iran to the list. And either way, the prospect is abjectly awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 02:03 PM) Man, I'm struggling to find anything which could possibly be worse than that. It's also a Jerusalem post article, citing an unsourced leak from within the IDF, which means that either the IDF believes there's some nugget of truth to it, or the IDF is leaking it on purpose regardless of whether or not there is truth to it to try to build consensus for adding Iran to the list. And either way, the prospect is abjectly awful. If these guys get moved to Iran. Then Iran and Israel will be at war. Edited July 13, 2006 by southsideirish71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 12:21 PM) If these guys get moved to Iran. Then Iran and Israel will be at war. That was sort of implied when I said I couldn't figure out anything worse than that. Beyond the $100 a barrel oil prices, think about what will happen when the Shi'ites in Iraq who make up the majority of the government decide that their country needs to stand with Iran, and the U.S. doesn't want them to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samclemens Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 03:21 PM) If these guys get moved to Iran. Then Iran and Israel will be at war. israel kicking terrorist islamic fundamentalist ass = OK by me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 QUOTE(samclemens @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 04:13 PM) israel kicking terrorist islamic fundamentalist ass = OK by me! Too bad a lot of people in Iran aren't "islamofascists". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samclemens Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 06:26 PM) Too bad a lot of people in Iran aren't "islamofascists". by "a lot of people" are you referring to the iranian government, which funds hezbollah, who are terrorists, or are you just referring to the hezbollah installments the israelis are attacking right now to get back kidnapped soldiers? and how is hezbollah not a terrorist organization? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 QUOTE(samclemens @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 06:17 PM) by "a lot of people" are you referring to the iranian government, which funds hezbollah, who are terrorists, or are you just referring to the hezbollah installments the israelis are attacking right now to get back kidnapped soldiers? and how is hezbollah not a terrorist organization? Huh? There are people in Iran... you know... they go to work everyday. Those people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 QUOTE(samclemens @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 04:17 PM) by "a lot of people" are you referring to the iranian government, which funds hezbollah, who are terrorists, or are you just referring to the hezbollah installments the israelis are attacking right now to get back kidnapped soldiers? and how is hezbollah not a terrorist organization? Are all terrorists by definition Islamofascists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 (edited) Fox News Crew shot @ in Israel. Oil hits $78. Edited July 14, 2006 by Balta1701 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbeFroman Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Ok this is my own little conspiracy theory... I have nothing to back this up, but the logic does seem to flow. Assume the following: 1) Israel and the Palestinians have been at odds since 1948. 2) Full fledged war in the Middle East has been close several times since then. 3) Israel has had the grounds to strike at Hezbollah, Hamas, etc virtually the entire time. 4) Iran is presently developing Nuclear weapons 5) No nation is more threatened by Iran's development of WMD than Israel. 6) Any military action by Iran would almost certainly be met with overwhelming defense by Israel. 7) Iran has sworn to defend Syria, Hezbollah, etc. 8) An unprovoked assault on Iran by the US or Israel would be met with great resistance internationally. If Isreal can literally provoke a war with Hezbollah, Syria, etc, Iran will probably jump to their defense. Israel's acts are "self-defense" and therefore justifiable. Once Iran is inevitably drawn in, Iran can be struck by Israel (and possibly the U.S). Thus ending the threat of nuclear weapons in Iran. Is Israel's real objective to stir Iran into this skirmish so that they have the international grounds to strike Iran? I don't know... but it seems plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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