jasonxctf Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 am I the only one here not completely sold on him??? 4.80 ERA and a .297 BAA. To his credit, Lefties are only hitting .221 however. In comparison, Thornton (who I really dont like either) has a 4.89 ERA and a .278 BAA. Lefties are hitting .300 against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 QUOTE(jasonxctf @ Sep 8, 2007 -> 08:59 AM) am I the only one here not completely sold on him??? 4.80 ERA and a .297 BAA. To his credit, Lefties are only hitting .221 however. In comparison, Thornton (who I really dont like either) has a 4.89 ERA and a .278 BAA. Lefties are hitting .300 against him. If used correctly Logan is one of the better people in baseball at his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 From last nights game thread: QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 7, 2007 -> 10:46 PM) Actually his .211/.291/.289/.580 (87 PA) line against lefties this season begs to differ. He's no where near ready to be a setup man who faces both righties and lefties but as a 22 year old he's already one of the most effective specialists in the game. His updated splits look like this .221/.295/.299/.594. So the .221 BAA vs lefties is cool and all, they're not getting many hits off him but he's also not walking lefties and when they do hit him it's almost always a single (the 78 ISOp proves that out.) Good luck finding many better specialists in the game today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baines3 Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 I think Boone Logan is doing ok. He's better than some of the other relievers we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 We can't go into next year with the same bullpen as we have now except for Jenks. Part of me thinks that the youth in the pen might be learning from this disasterous year and will be better next year, but on the other hand I don't see the talent showing through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 The only 3 guys I absolutely without a doubt would like to see in next year's pen are Jenks, Wasserman and Logan. I won't shed a tear for any of the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Lemon Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 True Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 8, 2007 -> 12:34 PM) The only 3 guys I absolutely without a doubt would like to see in next year's pen are Jenks, Wasserman and Logan. I won't shed a tear for any of the rest. I'd bet that Mac and Thornton(especially Matt) have bounce back years next season. I want Thornton back next season and I wouldn't mind if Mac is back either but having almost the same bullpen would look pretty poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Sep 8, 2007 -> 01:14 PM) I really don't know what the deal with Mac is. I have at least seen some flashes from Thornton, but MacDougal has just been terrible. He had a good stretch to start the season, but so did Aardsma. Mike was so solid last year, I really had high hopes for him. I just haven't seen ANYTHING from him to tell me he should bounce back next season, and I have been looking hard. I agree but he has a track record and his stuff is still there. Who knows what's wrong with him, but with bullpen inconsistancies from year to year it's kind of hard to give up a guy with a good arm who has shown that he can be a good reliever. I wont be too disappointed if we deal him but I just don't want to get rid of him just to get rid of him. Edited September 8, 2007 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 The most important question is; who do you replace Mac and Matt with? There are no good free agent relievers and there's not much in the minors to get excited about. You almost have to keep both around by default. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 KW will overpay for some relievers this year, either via trade or free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 8, 2007 -> 01:38 PM) KW will overpay for some relievers this year, either via trade or free agency. I gotta feeling that will happen as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Sep 8, 2007 -> 01:48 PM) I gotta feeling that will happen as well. which would be terrible, because it goes against everything he's ever done in regards to building a bullpen (unless you count Dustin Hermanson as overpaying; probably was, but $2.5 mill over 2 years for a solid reliever isn't much). He's built really good bullpens in the past, and I liked the pen he had setup this year, but it turned into a perfect storm of s***tiness. I wouldn't mind seeing a similar pen to opening day this year, save Nick Masset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 (edited) From last nights game thread: His updated splits look like this .221/.295/.299/.594. So the .221 BAA vs lefties is cool and all, they're not getting many hits off him but he's also not walking lefties and when they do hit him it's almost always a single (the 78 ISOp proves that out.) Good luck finding many better specialists in the game today. Damaso Marte vs LHP: .098 BA, .367 OPS Rafael Perez vs. LHP: .345 OPS CJ Wilson vs. LHP: .380 OPS George Sherill vs LHP: .165/.242/.316 Wasserman looks to be a better specialist than Logan too. Just sayin', but it doesn't really matter with Guillen as the manager Edited September 8, 2007 by santo=dorf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 I'm definitely not sold on him. No way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 9, 2007 -> 11:24 AM) I'm definitely not sold on him. No way. Because? I'm not doubting your answer Greg, I just want to see something behind that statement. Anyways, if used right Logan can be very effective. You still have to remember his age, experience at the major league level etc. so he should only get better. I think if it was a choice b/w him and Myers for a spot next season, you'd have to go with Boone at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 I'm sold on him vs. lefties... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 I don't despise Boone, in fact after Bobby he'd be my second reliever. But like you said, just for one lefty batter. He has been clobbered a lot this season. He has potential, I'm just not sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 I think winning it all is all by chance. Look at the 2005 Whitesox. On paper they sucked. They had one guy (correct me if I'm wrong) with over 100 RBI. Dustin Hermanson, Cliff Politte and Neal Cotts all had awesome career years. Our starting rotation all had career years. None of them will ever come close to that. Look at the Cardinals last year. That team was garbage, but they hit at the right time, they pitched at the right time and they won at the right time. Next year I would trade BOTH Garland and Contreras. Neither of them have an upside. I would not sign Hunter, he is over priced. I would get some youth and hope for the best. I don't think Cleveland and Detroit are that unbeatable. If we put together a team thats .500 at the all start break then we plug some holes then. I just DO NOT want to see the following players anymore: Uribe, Podsednik and Erstad Fields, Richar, Buehrle, Jenks, Wasserman and Vazquez would be my only untouchables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(striker62704 @ Sep 9, 2007 -> 02:01 AM) Fields, Richar, Buehrle, Jenks, Wasserman and Vazquez would be my only untouchables. I think you have to add Danks to this list. He's only a rookie and while he is not outstanding at this point, would you truly feel comfortable giving up on him next year? Not sold on Wasserman (Aardsma would have been one of your untouchables in April) and Richar yet, but willing to keep faith in Richar. My ideal "realistic" team for next year would be as follows (KW, are you listening?): Batting Order SS: Vizquel 1B: Kotchman RF: Dye DH: Dunn 3B: Fields C: Pierzynski CF: Melky Cabrera 2B: Richar LF: Owens Bench: Hall, Ozuna, Sweeney, Aybar SP: Buehrle, Vasquez, Contreras, Ervin Santana, Danks RP: Jenks, Thornton, Logan, Floyd, MacDougal, Phillips, Linebrink FA signings: Dunn, Vizquel, Linebrink (ARod would be nice but wayyyyy too expensive) Trades: 1) Konerko & Garland to LAA for Kotchman, E. Santana and Aybar 2) Thome & Crede to Yanks for Melky Cabrera and 2 prospects (Brett Gardner, OF and Mark Melancon, P) Gone via FA: Uribe, Pods, Erstad That gives us more of an Ozzie-type team with lots of speed, OBP and "smart" players that are more or less durable. Edited September 9, 2007 by heirdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord chas Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 QUOTE(heirdog @ Sep 9, 2007 -> 02:07 AM) I think you have to add Danks to this list. He's only a rookie and while he is not outstanding at this point, would you truly feel comfortable giving up on him next year? Not sold on Wasserman (Aardsma would have been one of your untouchables in April) and Richar yet, but willing to keep faith in Richar. My ideal "realistic" team for next year would be as follows (KW, are you listening?): Batting Order SS: Vizquel 1B: Kotchman RF: Dye DH: Dunn 3B: Fields C: Pierzynski CF: Melky Cabrera 2B: Richar LF: Owens Bench: Hall, Ozuna, Sweeney, Aybar SP: Buehrle, Vasquez, Contreras, Ervin Santana, Danks RP: Jenks, Thornton, Logan, Floyd, MacDougal, Phillips, Linebrink FA signings: Dunn, Vizquel, Linebrink (ARod would be nice but wayyyyy too expensive) Trades: 1) Konerko & Garland to LAA for Kotchman, E. Santana and Aybar 2) Thome & Crede to Yanks for Melky Cabrera and 2 prospects (Brett Gardner, OF and Mark Melancon, P) Gone via FA: Uribe, Pods, Erstad That gives us more of an Ozzie-type team with lots of speed, OBP and "smart" players that are more or less durable. no thanks on linebrink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 I think winning it all is all by chance. Look at the 2005 Whitesox. On paper they sucked. They had one guy (correct me if I'm wrong) with over 100 RBI. Dustin Hermanson, Cliff Politte and Neal Cotts all had awesome career years. Our starting rotation all had career years. None of them will ever come close to that. Look at the Cardinals last year. That team was garbage, but they hit at the right time, they pitched at the right time and they won at the right time. Next year I would trade BOTH Garland and Contreras. Neither of them have an upside. I would not sign Hunter, he is over priced. I would get some youth and hope for the best. I don't think Cleveland and Detroit are that unbeatable. If we put together a team thats .500 at the all start break then we plug some holes then. I just DO NOT want to see the following players anymore: Uribe, Podsednik and Erstad Fields, Richar, Buehrle, Jenks, Wasserman and Vazquez would be my only untouchables. False, only Contreras and Garland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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