I want VDN fired.

I want VDN fired.

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I still don't see VDN as a leader. That's why I don't care if he's fired or not.

 

I want my coach to motivate, I want the players on the team to say we're ready to play our hardest for that man. I still don't see that with this team.

 

Granted he's let the young guys play. Which i'm happy with, but with a team that's still this young they need a coach with more experience.

I still don't see VDN as a leader. That's why I don't care if he's fired or not.

 

I want my coach to motivate, I want the players on the team to say we're ready to play our hardest for that man. I still don't see that with this team.

 

Granted he's let the young guys play. Which i'm happy with, but with a team that's still this young they need a coach with more experience.

 

Good post. I don't mind Vinny as much, though I'm not a fan of his but, IMO, he gets too much of a bad rep which he doesn't deserve. I think alot of the Bulls players like Vinny, and he's really letting our players' develop which I LOVE, but he just doesn't have that crucial experience. Can he develop it.. sure, but it'll take even more time for that then Rose developing. I would still like to keep him around in some shape or form perhaps as a developmental coach (if there is such thing) maybe even an assistant to get him more experience with the x's and o's or something.

Good post. I don't mind Vinny as much, though I'm not a fan of his but, IMO, he gets too much of a bad rep which he doesn't deserve. I think alot of the Bulls players like Vinny, and he's really letting our players' develop which I LOVE, but he just doesn't have that crucial experience. Can he develop it.. sure, but it'll take even more time for that then Rose developing. I would still like to keep him around in some shape or form perhaps as a developmental coach (if there is such thing) maybe even an assistant to get him more experience with the x's and o's or something.

Bad post.

I think the Bulls have the talent to be a top 4 team in teh East next season.

 

If VDN doesn't have them in that spot by the all-star break, then he should be fired IMO.

 

And there are plenty of good coaches out there such as Avery Johnson and Eddie Jordan.

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I've already expressed a million times how preposterous it is that the Bulls hired a guy who had to learn how to coach on the f***ing job, and still seems clueless much of the time. How many straight sell outs have we had??? We have a rookie point guard that might be the most precious commodity in the NBA and we let this idiot run out supposed gameplans?

 

Pax should be canned because of that hiring, still, and then that hiring should be canned. Sure, the Salmons deal was nice, but that was on the table a month or two before the deadline... any GM could have said "yes" when the Kings called. Same thing with Hughes... the Knicks have one thing on their mind and will screw their team until they get him, so they were happy to take that Hughes contract.

 

I'm not going to have a little hot streak to score the 7th or 8th playoff spot change my feelings... they should be gone.

Edited March 31, 200917 yr by Steve9347

I've already expressed a million times how preposterous it is that the Bulls hired a guy who had to learn how to coach on the f***ing job, and still seems clueless much of the time. How many straight sell outs have we had??? We have a rookie point guard that might be the most precious commodity in the NBA and we let this idiot run out supposed gameplans?

 

Pax should be canned because of that hiring, still, and then that hiring should be canned. Sure, the Salmons deal was nice, but that was on the table a month or two before the deadline... any GM could have said "yes" when the Kings called. Same thing with Hughes... the Knicks have one thing on their mind and will screw their team until they get him, so they were happy to take that Hughes contract.

 

I'm not going to have a little hot streak to score the 7th or 8th playoff spot change my feelings... they should be gone.

 

Rather than agree with your pre-season concerns, I am going to look at the net results. Playoffs + ROY= he stays.

Rather than agree with your pre-season concerns, I am going to look at the net results. Playoffs + ROY= he stays.

He's going to stay anyway for $ reasons, but just from watching the results on the floor, I'm just tired of him. So many random things. Call it death by a thousand accidental cuts because he can't figure out that he's holding a knife. From constantly being outschemed to the crazy in-game rotations (we'll bench Rose during the 4th for the month of Feb., that'll show him!), he just doesn't cut it for me. If the players like him, that's a start, but I'm really tired of us being outsmarted at the end of every game.

Rather than agree with your pre-season concerns, I am going to look at the net results. Playoffs + ROY= he stays.

I don't think you should justify keeping a coach just because the #1 draft pick in the NBA wins the ROY award.

 

Should Eric Spoelstra lose his job because Michael Beasley isn't going to win it? Of course not.

Rather than agree with your pre-season concerns, I am going to look at the net results. Playoffs + ROY= he stays.

 

I couldn't disagree more. I haven't seen a single thing out of Derrick Rose all year that tells me "he's coached well", and if anything, I've see many cases where he was mysteriously not in the game in critical spots. And if the Bulls make the playoffs as a below .500 7th or 8th seed, that isn't any sort of proof that the coach has any idea what he's doing at all. If missing the playoffs means Del Negro is gone, I'd almost rather they miss them, but hopefully the front office is smart enough to realize Del Negro has no idea what he's doing, regardless of where the team ends up at the end of the regular season.

I don't think you should justify keeping a coach just because the #1 draft pick in the NBA wins the ROY award.

 

Should Eric Spoelstra lose his job because Michael Beasley isn't going to win it? Of course not.

 

You are not accustomed to following a team where rookies come to die.

You are not accustomed to following a team where rookies come to die.

 

Well any idiot could coach a rookie as good as Derrick Rose and see the kid put up good numbers, even Del Negro. Although Del Negro spent a long period of time not wanting to see those results in the 4th quarter, and not shockingly, the team was pretty damn bad even by their standards during that stretch of time.

I couldn't disagree more. I haven't seen a single thing out of Derrick Rose all year that tells me "he's coached well", and if anything, I've see many cases where he was mysteriously not in the game in critical spots. And if the Bulls make the playoffs as a below .500 7th or 8th seed, that isn't any sort of proof that the coach has any idea what he's doing at all. If missing the playoffs means Del Negro is gone, I'd almost rather they miss them, but hopefully the front office is smart enough to realize Del Negro has no idea what he's doing, regardless of where the team ends up at the end of the regular season.

 

The big problem with Rose down the stretch is that he is terrible defensively. What ever he creates on the offensive end, he gets exploited for on the defensive end. I shutter to say this, but I would rather have Ben Gordon's defense on the floor right now versus Rose.

The big problem with Rose down the stretch is that he is terrible defensively. What ever he creates on the offensive end, he gets exploited for on the defensive end. I shutter to say this, but I would rather have Ben Gordon's defense on the floor right now versus Rose.

 

Rose is definitely bad on defense, but EVERYBODY on this team is bad on defense, so that's no excuse to keep him out late in the game. This team simply does not try or care on defense, which to me is a serious indictment of the coach.

Rather than agree with your pre-season concerns, I am going to look at the net results. Playoffs + ROY= he stays.

What kind of argument is that? Making the playoffs in the East means nothing when you're the 7th seed 4 games under .500.

 

And he was the first pick in the draft... he'd have won RoY with or without VDN. If Avery Johnson is coaching this team, I bet we and Rose collectively are better at this point.

Rose is definitely bad on defense, but EVERYBODY on this team is bad on defense, so that's no excuse to keep him out late in the game. This team simply does not try or care on defense, which to me is a serious indictment of the coach.

 

Looking at the plus minus stats for the Bulls, Hinrich is +181, Gordon is +59, and Rose is -96. The only guy who has a lower number than Rose on the Bulls is Tyrus who comes in at a horrible -132.

Looking at the plus minus stats for the Bulls, Hinrich is +181, Gordon is +59, and Rose is -96. The only guy who has a lower number than Rose on the Bulls is Tyrus who comes in at a horrible -132.

I'd rather have missed the playoffs with those guys playing the minutes than make the playoffs on the strength of our dominant small lineup.

Rose is definitely bad on defense, but EVERYBODY on this team is bad on defense, so that's no excuse to keep him out late in the game. This team simply does not try or care on defense, which to me is a serious indictment of the coach.

 

 

I dont know that I could hang lack of defense completely on the coach. While under Skiles, the Bulls went from one of the best defensive teams to one of the worst, with almost the exact same cast. If players dont want to play D, they wont in the NBA, and there isnt anything the coach can do about it

Edited March 31, 200917 yr by kyyle23

What kind of argument is that? Making the playoffs in the East means nothing when you're the 7th seed 4 games under .500.

 

And he was the first pick in the draft... he'd have won RoY with or without VDN. If Avery Johnson is coaching this team, I bet we and Rose collectively are better at this point.

 

I'm not going to spend my afternoon debating with 5 posters on why we should keep VDN. I made my points on the last page. Most of the arguments here are not backed by fact. A couple of you make good points. Some of the arguments are along the lines of, "I hope we miss the playoffs so he get's fired." WTF is that? I am not responding to these posts with no substance.

I'm not going to spend my afternoon debating with 5 posters on why we should keep VDN. I made my points on the last page. Most of the arguments here are not backed by fact. A couple of you make good points. Some of the arguments are along the lines of, "I hope we miss the playoffs so he get's fired." WTF is that? I am not responding to these posts with no substance.

 

Another point I haven't seen mentioned is the huge leap that the games of Tyrus and Noah have taken upwards this year. If VDN gets slammed for the bad, he should get equal credit for the good.

I'm not going to spend my afternoon debating with 5 posters on why we should keep VDN. I made my points on the last page. Most of the arguments here are not backed by fact. A couple of you make good points. Some of the arguments are along the lines of, "I hope we miss the playoffs so he get's fired." WTF is that? I am not responding to these posts with no substance.

Explain to me why the Bulls are better with VDN as head coach.

 

I read your post on the previous page, and you state a bunch of facts. The fact of the matter is, VDN is still learning on the job and unforunately the Bulls have lost some winnable games because of his inability to adjust at the end of games.

Edited March 31, 200917 yr by Steve9347

Another point I haven't seen mentioned is the huge leap that the games of Tyrus and Noah have taken upwards this year. If VDN gets slammed for the bad, he should get equal credit for the good.

Finally giving the guys minutes after everyone he kept playing in front of them was traded away is not what I'd call a solid endorsement.

 

Hell, we're still complaining about Noah getting benched for no reason in the last game.

Explain to me why the Bulls are better with VDN as head coach.

 

I read your post on the previous page, and you state a bunch of facts. The fact of the matter is, VDN is still learning on the job and unforunately the Bulls have lost some winnable games because of his inability to adjust at the end of games.

 

Rookie Coaches can and should improve as they gain experience. making the playoffs his 1st season shows me that he is on the right track.

 

I missed all the posts during the pre-season that predicted the bulls to be a top 3 team in the east. He exceeded expectations his first year, what more do you want?

 

 

Should the Bulls take a step backwards next year, you pull the plug. As long as they are improving(as they have been the last few months) leave things alone.

Edited March 31, 200917 yr by rangercal