Official 2008-2009 NHL Thread

[RockRaines]

If you want nonsensical, read any of your hockey posts. You have brought that quote up many times, at which point I said he would be better than Jason Williams on the PP (fact), that his play in the defensive zone leaves something to be desired (fact) and that he is not physical pretty much at all (fact).

 

This year, his defense have been even worse than anyone thought it would be!

 

Thanks for playing.

LOL. I am glad I "played" the game with you of pointing out your ridiculous statements. Although I will give you the fact its pretty ballsy you continue to hammer the point even though you were pwned a few pages back.

 

And with a player like Campbell, if his +/- stays positive, I consider that a pretty good season since offensively he was more effective than his putrid defensive skills. And without Campbell on this team, there is no way the Hawks are playing the Flames in the first round, they definately fall a few seeds.

[RockRaines]

Rock, thats a rather short-sighted way to look at things, and you know it.

 

Campbell is taking up over seven million dollars on the cap. If the Hawks spent 3 million less and signed someone like Streit(a guy some of us talked about in the off-season) you still have a nice piece of change to play with for another need. On top of it, a contract like Streit is a lot easier to take on instead of the albatross Campbell's deal has already become.

 

I don't think anyone, myself included thinks BC hasn't made an impact on this team. He has. However, he is the highest paid Hawk, and probably will be for quite some time. Over the last 2-4 months, he probably doesn't make the top 10 list for most productive Hawks. Thats unacceptable.

 

Of course his cost is prohibitive, but his play has been as expected pretty much. He's a defensive liability, but will score 50+ points. His contract is what it costs to bring in that type of player on the market, and I'm not sure there was a person on here who was really against that signing. We are stuck with him most likely, but at the time, it was a move that had to be made. Alot of things have changed since then, not everyone wanted Havlat back, which now looks like a must-make move, and will cost us a pretty penny.

 

And of course all of that is unrelated to the blame of every loss falling on his shoulders, which is just biased.

 

I had to edit to add this: If his contract makes us lose Duncan Keith, I may just lose my f***ing mind.

Edited April 23, 2009 by RockRaines

[IlliniKrush]

LOL. I am glad I "played" the game with you of pointing out your ridiculous statements. Although I will give you the fact its pretty ballsy you continue to hammer the point even though you were pwned a few pages back.

 

And with a player like Campbell, if his +/- stays positive, I consider that a pretty good season since offensively he was more effective than his putrid defensive skills. And without Campbell on this team, there is no way the Hawks are playing the Flames in the first round, they definately fall a few seeds.

I'm glad I can play the game with you pointing out a quote of mine which means absolutely nothing to whatever argument you are trying to make. Apparently since I didn't say exactly "this is the worst signing in the history of the world," I cannot be critical of one Brian Campbell. That is your point.

 

I was excited Chicago was a target city for once, however the money made me really stop and think about the cap as we went on, also with Huet on board, hoping it wouldn't hurt us.

 

Now his play in the defensive zone is WORSE than I ever expected, and he's been brutal in the playoffs, as he was for SJ. I'll b**** about it all I want.

 

You don't pay a guy that much money to be something like a +1 player. He is expected to do a lot more and he should be doing a lot more. Some of the s*** he's done this year, he hadn't done in the past to this degree. That's why this contract is not justified right now. It's become more clear as the year has gone on how bad he is for this money. It's been his play this season, not the decision on July 1.

 

BTW, sweet logic on Campbell in regards to our seeding. I won't even touch it since Tony already did.

Edited April 24, 2009 by IlliniKrush

[Brian]

Can't you see what the Flames are doing? They are turning us against each other!!!

[RockRaines]

Something is going to have to give. I think I am being fairly optimistic to think when its time to re-up with Keith-Toews-Kane, the salary cap will be the same. Supposedly the cap is coming down this off-season, so lets say it rebounds and comes back to where it is now.

 

After the 09/10 season, here is what is on the books RIGHT NOW

 

Campbell-7.1

Byfuglien-3

Huet-5.675

Sharp-4.1

Seabrook-3.5

Sopel-2

 

Hawks sit at 25.5 right now for the 2010-2011 season.

 

Right now, without knowing what is in store for the big 3 in 2009-2010, its probably safe to assume that the 3 together would command 18-20 million annually Lets say 18 to be nice to Tallon. Thats 43.5 for nine players. As we know, the cap sits at 56.7 right now, and I'm being optimistic thinking it will be that amount when this time comes.

 

So with that, the Hawks will have just over 13 million dollars for 14 players. Thats not going to work.

 

 

 

I know this post was all over the place, but I don't think any of it is very fair fetched. Tallon may have closed this teams window before it even opened.

Gross. You have to think they are going to move at least 2 of those guys listed above not including Sopel. If I had to choose I would say Huet and Campbell would be my choices, but they may also be the hardest to move.

[RockRaines]

Also, the Ana/SJ series has been really fun to watch.

[Steve9347]

Can't you see what the Flames are doing? They are turning us against each other!!!

[LittleHurt05]

Obviously the Hawks have to win 2 of the next 3 or this will be a moot point, but doesn't the NHL reseed in the 2nd round? If the Ducks beat the Sharks, and the Hawks end up playing the Canucks, who has home-ice advantage? They are the 3 seed cause they won the division, but the Hawks had a better record?

[Steve9347]

Obviously the Hawks have to win 2 of the next 3 or this will be a moot point, but doesn't the NHL reseed in the 2nd round? If the Ducks beat the Sharks, and the Hawks end up playing the Canucks, who has home-ice advantage? They are the 3 seed cause they won the division, but the Hawks had a better record?

The Canucks would have home-ice. The re-seeding is based on original playoff seed. HOPEFULLY we win, and then it will be.

 

2. Wings

8. Ducks

 

3. Canucks

4. Hawks

 

The Canucks seem to be in charge of their series, the Wings are in for sure. IF the Sharks come back, and the Hawks win, it'd be.

 

1. Sharks

4. Hawks

 

2. Wings

3. Canucks

Edited April 24, 2009 by Steve9347

[IlliniKrush]

The Canucks would have home-ice. The re-seeding is based on original playoff seed. HOPEFULLY we win, and then it will be.

 

2. Wings

8. Ducks

 

3. Canucks

4. Hawks

 

The Canucks seem to be in charge of their series, the Wings are in for sure. IF the Sharks come back, and the Hawks win, it'd be.

 

1. Sharks

4. Hawks

 

2. Wings

3. Canucks

Yeah, I would definitely say they are 'in charge' of their series. It's pretty difficult to come back from a 4-0 deficit in a 7 game series. History is definitely not on their side

[LittleHurt05]

The Canucks would have home-ice. The re-seeding is based on original playoff seed. HOPEFULLY we win, and then it will be.

 

2. Wings

8. Ducks

 

3. Canucks

4. Hawks

 

The Canucks seem to be in charge of their series, the Wings are in for sure. IF the Sharks come back, and the Hawks win, it'd be.

 

1. Sharks

4. Hawks

 

2. Wings

3. Canucks

 

 

Thanks. Its hard to be confident from the last two games, but having two of the last three on the West Side makes me think its still in the Hawks favor.

[Steve9347]

Yeah, I would definitely say they are 'in charge' of their series. It's pretty difficult to come back from a 4-0 deficit in a 7 game series. History is definitely not on their side

Yeah, don't know what I was thinking when typing that. The info, in large, was good info though.

[whitesoxbrian]

I'll be there tomorrow night. A loss really puts us in a tough spot.

[Brian]

Eager says "Take it, biatch!"

[ChiSox]

Eager is awesome.

[whitesoxbrian]

Seabrook really made up for his horrid game 4. He was easily the best player on the ice tonight IMO. His 2 points were a bonus considering he was hitting and poke checking like it was going out of style.

 

Big ups to the Hawks for an awesome game tonight.

 

End these f***ers up in Canada.

[Steve9347]

That game last night was phenomenal.

[RockRaines]

Seabrook really made up for his horrid game 4. He was easily the best player on the ice tonight IMO. His 2 points were a bonus considering he was hitting and poke checking like it was going out of style.

 

Big ups to the Hawks for an awesome game tonight.

 

End these f***ers up in Canada.

He sure did. IN fact most of the D were outstanding last night. Buff continues to be a beast.

[Steve9347]

Game 6 tonight.

 

I need a break from the drinking, so hopefully the Hawks can close it out!

[ChiSox_Sonix]

Brashear suspended 6 games. Ridiculous.

[Jim Spencer]

Brashear suspended 6 games. Ridiculous.

 

Brashear and George Parros, " Old Time Hockey"

 

Let's Go Hawks

 

[SoxFan1]

Kane sucks.

[whitesoxbrian]

Besides SOG, you really couldn't ask for a better period.

 

Keep it up.

 

Byfuglien has been playing his ass off, and Versteeg is really coming on.

[EvilJester99]

Habby is playing one hell of a game here thus far!!

[SoxFan1]

3-0 on the Campbell goal here in the 2nd period. Hawks making the best of their power play opportunities. Buff is playing awesome right now.