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David Frum has a pretty good on-going review of Charles Murray's (of The Bell Curve infamy) latest book, Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010.

 

The main thesis of Murray's book appears to be that white working-class people are to blame for their stagnant economic situation because they've failed morally by not staying married and having children out of wedlock. Frum's main counter-point in part I is that Murray has his causality completely backwards and let's this blind him to literally every other factor.

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Murray's book also contains this interesting assertion:

 

Data can bear on policy issues, but many of our opinions about policy are grounded on premises about the nature of human life and human society that are beyond the reach of data. Try to think of any new data that would change your position on abortion, the death penalty, legalization of marijuana, same-sex marriage or the inheritance tax. If you cannot, you are not necessarily being unreasonable.

 

Highlighting the many issues with this paragraph is left as an exercise for the reader.

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Part 3 of Frum's review is up, and this opening two paragraphs made me lol:

 

Murray is especially eager to chastise the top 5% because he is convinced that this class "tends to be liberal—right? There's no getting around it Every way of answering this question produces a yes."

 

In fact, most ways of answering the question produce the answer "no," as Andrew Gelman has exhaustively and I think conclusively demonstrated.

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QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Feb 7, 2012 -> 04:09 PM)
This is pretty offensive. Fake pidgin english? Seriously?

 

www.debbiespenditnow.com

 

haha

 

:notworthy

 

PS. the person behind that website is also the guy that did the "Demon Sheep" ad for Fiorina and the "I'm not a witch" ad for Christene O'Donnell. HE KEEPS GETTING HIRED.

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Hannity is still trying to push the "Democrats are weak" line, claiming that Obama wouldn't have killed Osama if he had his way.

 

 

“They’ve got a foreign policy that shows a lot of weakness,” Hannity said. “I know the President will say they got bin Laden, putting that aside.”

 

“And the public gives him credit for that,” Luntz interjected.

 

A reluctant Hannity replied, “But it wouldn’t have happened if he had his way, and I think that could be proven as well on tapes.”

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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 11:51 AM)
Hannity is still trying to push the "Democrats are weak" line, claiming that Obama wouldn't have killed Osama if he had his way.

 

Wait, what? I thought it was pretty well documented that he was pushing for it harder than others, if anything.

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QUOTE (farmteam @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 04:26 PM)
Wait, what? I thought it was pretty well documented that he was pushing for it harder than others, if anything.

 

His cognitive dissonance is pretty amazing.

 

Or, more cynically, he knows it's dumb and untrue but he also knows that his audience will love it so....

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QUOTE (farmteam @ Feb 8, 2012 -> 05:25 PM)
I'd say the latter is pretty accurate.

 

 

More Frum love:

Some liberals suspect that the conservative changes of mind since 2008 are opportunistic and cynical. It’s true that cynicism is never entirely absent from politics: I won’t soon forget the lupine smile that played about the lips of the leader of one prominent conservative institution as he told me, “Our donors truly think the apocalypse has arrived.” Yet conscious cynicism is much rarer than you might suppose. Few of us have the self-knowledge and emotional discipline to say one thing while meaning another. If we say something often enough, we come to believe it. We don’t usually delude others until after we have first deluded ourselves. Some of the smartest and most sophisticated people I know—canny investors, erudite authors—sincerely and passionately believe that President Barack Obama has gone far beyond conventional American liberalism and is willfully and relentlessly driving the United States down the road to socialism. No counterevidence will dissuade them from this belief: not record-high corporate profits, not almost 500,000 job losses in the public sector, not the lowest tax rates since the Truman administration. It is not easy to fit this belief alongside the equally strongly held belief that the president is a pitiful, bumbling amateur, dazed and overwhelmed by a job too big for him—and yet that is done too.

 

http://nymag.com/news/politics/conservativ...-11/index1.html

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 9, 2012 -> 07:59 PM)
That's kind of funny because I just read an article yesterday highlighting how many of the things the Dems hated about Bush policy, they now approve of.

Like individual health insurance mandates? Oh, wait...

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