BigSqwert Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 15, 2008 -> 03:40 PM) How the hell do you accidentally send out talking points? The only way you can do that is if you want to do it. No kidding. For a campaign that is described as a well-oiled machine I find it hard to believe that this was accidentally leaked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 15, 2008 -> 04:45 PM) No kidding. For a campaign that is described as a well-oiled machine I find it hard to believe that this was accidentally leaked. oh f*** I just composed an e-mail and put the night's talking points in it for s***s and giggles but then I addressed it to some media people and accidentally hit send, omg omg omg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 IT'S JUST LIKE AMERICAN PIE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 this is just unbelievably awesome. http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezrakle..._by_association Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 Ack. Gonna miss the first half hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 McCain seems to be reaching and forgetting what his partner has been saying at rallies. Is it accurate that McCain started with the smear campaigns and promos? That is how it seems to me but I maybe wrong. McCain trying to get sympathy. Rips people at Obama rallies, forgetting the harsh things that are said at his own. Blinders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 they're both playing the victim card imo because they're both getting attacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 QUOTE (WilliamTell @ Oct 15, 2008 -> 08:36 PM) they're both playing the victim card imo because they're both getting attacked. Looked like McCain was about to cry a few times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 When asked about picking Palin as a running mate, I just want to hear McCain say, "I'm trying to get the female voters that were following Hillary Clinton." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Anyone who thinks Obama has won this is out of their minds. McCain was desperate going in, and landed a haymaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Oct 15, 2008 -> 08:03 PM) Anyone who thinks Obama has won this is out of their minds. McCain was desperate going in, and landed a haymaker. I can't tell either way. No clue what to look for. Has definitely been entertaining either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 (edited) Really? I thought McCain came off as bitter and angry, and feel that most people are going to feel more connected with Obama. /shrugs I really doubt that this debate changes anyones mind, but once again my opinion. Edited October 16, 2008 by Soxbadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 15, 2008 -> 09:10 PM) Really? I thought McCain came off as bitter and angry, and feel that most people are going to feel more connected with Obama. /shrugs I really doubt that this debate changes anyones mind, but once again my opinion. McCain called Obama out on a lot of bs, which needed to be done. IE, lowering taxes on 95% and increase spending by 1 trillion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 See thats where I disagree, I felt McCain sounded like a broken record and doesnt understand Obama's plan thus making him look just angry. The idea that the United States is some how going to cut spending or stop spending is one that never happens. Almost every President has consistently increased spending. I dont believe that McCain will really cut spending, I just believe that he will create more deficit spending. Obama is just telling it like it is, if you want to spend more money, you need to make more money. The United States makes its money off income tax, so if we want the society we have grown accustomed to some one is going to have to pay for it. Obama's plan takes advantage of the fact that the govt makes a disproportionate amount of its money off the highest tax payers, and therefore understands marginal tax increases on the richest result in massive tax cuts for the poorest. McCain imo is still in fantasy land where he can fix Social Security by sitting down at the table and getting it done or fix medicaid by asking the smartest people in the United States to give their opinions. Just like Obama, Id like to pay 0% taxes, but at the end of the day I understand that in order to spend money you have to make money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyons Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I haven't paid super close attention, but it seems to me that McCain has done a much better job in this one than the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 The real question is who Joe the plumber is supporting. I thought McCain did better than the other debates. I'd probably give McCain a small edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 CNN making a lot about the reaction shots. I guess other networks weren't using the side by side shots. Said McCain looked angry and flustered at times with the way he was looking around during Obama's answers and replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 15, 2008 -> 09:42 PM) CNN making a lot about the reaction shots. I guess other networks weren't using the side by side shots. Said McCain looked angry and flustered at times with the way he was looking around during Obama's answers and replies. Who was McCain looking at out in the crowd? He was looking off into the distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Oct 15, 2008 -> 08:44 PM) Who was McCain looking at out in the crowd? He was looking off into the distance. I think it was the audience in general and towards the moderator. Looked uncomfortable at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 15, 2008 -> 07:42 PM) CNN making a lot about the reaction shots. I guess other networks weren't using the side by side shots. Said McCain looked angry and flustered at times with the way he was looking around during Obama's answers and replies. I'm so glad I didn't watch these things, when things like that have even the slightest impact on who the next POTUS is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I watched CNN for the first time (debate-wise). The split shot was not good for McCain. Rolled his eyes a few times and had a dear in the headlights look at one point. Definitely didn't help his cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Yeah the network I was watching was showing side by side shots and it was pretty bad. Thats why I really cant see McCain winning this debate because his body language was just so bad. I'm so glad I didn't watch these things, when things like that have even the slightest impact on who the next POTUS is. Well I think one of the biggest requirements of a US President is that they are able to stay cool under pressure and that when they are in negotiations that they arent unable to keep cool calm and collected. Body language tells whether or not some one is lying, whether they believe in what they say, whether they have conviction. When I see McCain's body language I see some one who does not have the presence required to be the leader of the United States. When you watch McCain he just gives away everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 A snippet from Andrew Sullivan's live blogging of the debate...that I completely agree with: 10.18 pm. At no point have we seen a grace note from McCain. When dealing with the negativism of the campaign, it would not have killed him to seem genuinely horrified at calls for violence rather than offended that anyone dare criticize him or some of his supporters. Or to wish Obama well. It's this lack of generosity of spirit that he lacks and that people want in a president. Obama still manages to say when he agrees with or admires McCain. In this whole dynamic, Obama seems more secure, more self-controlled, more mature. He is the Alpha Male on this stage, and McCain the bristling teen - aged 72. No wonder women seem to be so disproportionately pro-Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I kinda liked the conflict. Made for good tv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 That is a nice find, Sqwert. I admittedly do not know much about politics and find that I like candidates based on their behavior and how they handle themselves as much as I do about ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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