witesoxfan Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/wh...T-sox31.article Several sources confirmed that topping the offseason priority list for Sox general manager Ken Williams is trading Vazquez, who has two years and $23 million left on his contract. Williams didn't comment, but the Sun-Times has learned there's hope that a deal involving Vazquez could fill a vacancy at either second or third base with the departures of Joe Crede and Orlando Cabrera to free agency. it's from Cowley, so TIFWIW, but this doesn't surprise me in the least to be quite honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 31, 2008 -> 10:42 AM) http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/wh...T-sox31.article it's from Cowley, so TIFWIW, but this doesn't surprise me in the least to be quite honest Not surprising, but Cowley is only write a fraction of the time on these sorts of things. That tells me he's apt to just fling s*** at the wall. Some of it will stick. Being a beat writer means walking the fine line between penetrating analysis, and friendly access to the team. I get the impression that Cowley has pissed off a few too many Sox folks, has lost a lot of access, and therefore doesn't hesitate to do this sort of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 To the Brewers for Weeks or Hardy? To the M's for Beltre? To the O's for Brian Roberts? A lot of possibilities here, but if Vaz was dealt, we'd need to sign a SP to replace him, and I'd look to do better than Freddy Garcia FWIW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 he's not going to bring a whole lot with his salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Can Nix and/or Getz play 3B? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 If Vazquez is traded to the Brewers, I don't take Weeks as much more than a throw-in. He's talented as hell, but he's without a position right now - he'd almost certainly have to be moved to CF - and he's been a pretty mediocre player most of the time he's been on the field. There's an offer the Brewers could make that would be interesting involving Weeks and not Hardy, but I'm just not sure the Sox could make it. If he does trade Vazquez, KW will be creative about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Oct 31, 2008 -> 12:50 PM) he's not going to bring a whole lot with his salary. Compare that to what some SP's on the FA market may get though. Still the Brewers may decide just to sign a Jon Garland type of pitcher for instance, but they're a team that likes to keep their draft picks also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Oct 31, 2008 -> 11:50 AM) he's not going to bring a whole lot with his salary. I'd say he'll bring a fair amount with his salary. For a mid-rotation starter with skills that could push him higher, he's not that expensive, and has 2 years locked in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 as bad as vasquez was last month.You better think about getting 4th starter replace him since the w sox might go back 5th starter by committee due contreas out and his contract on the toll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Oct 31, 2008 -> 11:51 AM) Compare that to what some SP's on the FA market may get though. Still the Brewers may decide just to sign a Jon Garland type of pitcher for instance, but they're a team that likes to keep their draft picks also. They will keep their draft picks if they signed Garland. I don't know what type of contract Garland will get, but I'm pretty sure if he qualified, he was a Type B free agent, meaning Anaheim would just get an extra sandwich pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 This isn't a surprise....you can't have your organization basically call you out for being a coward, prove them right, and expect to bring the player back the next year. I bet we'll see a Vazquez for Weeks trade made in the next few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 31, 2008 -> 11:53 AM) This isn't a surprise....you can't have your organization basically call you out for being a coward, prove them right, and expect to bring the player back the next year. I bet we'll see a Vazquez for Weeks trade made in the next few weeks. with the intention of having him play 2B or CF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 31, 2008 -> 12:53 PM) This isn't a surprise....you can't have your organization basically call you out for being a coward, prove them right, and expect to bring the player back the next year. I bet we'll see a Vazquez for Weeks trade made in the next few weeks. I would take Weeks and a couple of young arms for Vaz FWIW. I like Weeks as a player who I think we definitely haven't seen the best of, and he could give you a good OBP in the high .300's, and you stick him in CF e.g B.J Upton. Then you go out, and sign a SP to replace Vaz in the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 31, 2008 -> 12:59 PM) with the intention of having him play 2B or CF? Would have to be CF. With the Sox's premium on good defense, Weeks wouldn't be a fit in the middle infield. No idea how strong his arm is, but he would cover a lot of ground in CF I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 31, 2008 -> 11:46 AM) Not surprising, but Cowley is only write a fraction of the time on these sorts of things. That tells me he's apt to just fling s*** at the wall. Some of it will stick. Being a beat writer means walking the fine line between penetrating analysis, and friendly access to the team. I get the impression that Cowley has pissed off a few too many Sox folks, has lost a lot of access, and therefore doesn't hesitate to do this sort of thing. I think he "write"s all of the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 31, 2008 -> 11:04 AM) I think he "write"s all of the time Heh. Yeah, slip of the keyboard there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 That contract doesn't look too bad to me. Especially if you just want to sell some tickets and get close to, but not in, the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Weeks would play 2nd base, with Fields at 3rd base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 31, 2008 -> 12:37 PM) Weeks would play 2nd base, with Fields at 3rd base. That would be horrific defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 31, 2008 -> 05:39 PM) That would be horrific defensively. But...but...it would give us more speed! The scary part is that Ramirez might be worse defensively at SS than Fields is at 3rd and Weeks is at 2nd. Edited October 31, 2008 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I hope you guys arent saying weeks for javy. Thats an awful return. JJ Hardy is probably the key player we could get back for Javy from the Brewers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 If we're talking 3B, I still have a feeling that the Sox will make a play for Casey Blake. I have no evidence of it - just a weird feeling. Anyone know if the Rangers picked up Hank Blalock's option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Oct 31, 2008 -> 04:50 PM) he's not going to bring a whole lot with his salary. Disagree. Teams will look at 200 plus innings and 200 K's that he produces and a 2 year guarantee. I would be surprised if we do deal Vazquez, but at this time of the year everyone is on the block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 31, 2008 -> 12:39 PM) The scary part is that Ramirez might be worse defensively at SS than Fields is at 3rd and Weeks is at 2nd. Wha??? Alexei played plus D at 2B this year, and SS is (as I recall) his native position. What makes you think he'd be worse at SS than two sub-standard defensive players at their positions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 31, 2008 -> 05:42 PM) I hope you guys arent saying weeks for javy. Thats an awful return. JJ Hardy is probably the key player we could get back for Javy from the Brewers. KW will overpay for speed, which is why I'm scared of who we'll trade for Figgins (PK for Chone would be such a bad trade). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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