I was threatened by Rick Warren's feeble attempt at a invocation. That was so horrible.

Hey, I support Christian moral principles for the most part, and even I thought that it was contrived and way too long. Two-thirds of the way into his "prayer", I got frustrated with his droning and went "Oh my GOD!"

It got ridiculous after awhile.

 

 

Nobody is trying to be against and afraid of Christianity nor its crazies. I just feel like faith and the Church is very out of place in an event where a Federal official who represents all races, creeds and religions is being sworn in. I mean, isnt it a BIT weird that there was almost a mini religious service right before a civic ceremony was held? It just doesnt belong there.

Would you call it a "civil ceremony"?

Glad I missed the Rick Warren stuff. Sounds like a train wreck

Hey, I support Christian moral principles for the most part, and even I thought that it was contrived and way too long. Two-thirds of the way into his "prayer", I got frustrated with his droning and went "Oh my GOD!"

It got ridiculous after awhile.

I just don't understand what any of it had to do with a secular event.

Someone else said that and it would have gotten no outrage from me. If he would have bowed to the porcelin god right there on stage, his inauguration, his choice on what he wants to do. That was the point being made all along for those who like to play thread police.

 

 

:bulls***rolleyes

Someone else said that and it would have gotten no outrage from me. If he would have bowed to the porcelin god right there on stage, his inauguration, his choice on what he wants to do. That was the point being made all along for those who like to play thread police.

I find that hard to believe considering there was a story on yahoo.com about how or whether they said his middle name.

Ha! Actually I experienced something of that nature when a lady wasnt allowed to ride the CTA bus because she had forgotten her card and she mumbled that this wouldnt be the case when Obama takes charge.

Yeah, I know these dumbasses are out there, I just have yet to meet one.

:bulls***rolleyes

Again, Steff, read the whole damn thread and its context before trying to call me out. I think I made my point pretty clear if you read past the first post you wanted to throw piss all over me for.

 

 

 

I just don't understand what any of it had to do with a secular event.

The settling and founding of America wasn't a secular event.

 

Puritans, Baptists, Episcopalians, and Church of England members helped found the country.

 

Inaugurations, Courtrooms, many Graduations, Weddings, Funerals, Memorial Services, all have prayer, bibles or God references.

 

America is a Christian-founded country.

I find that hard to believe considering there was a story on yahoo.com about how or whether they said his middle name.

I'm not yahoo.com. I don't give a s*** about his religion or his name (I know, that wasn't your point - people are stupid in general). I don't care what the guy does as long as he doesn't outright lie (yea, he'll bend the truth, he's a damn politician).

The settling and founding of America wasn't a secular event.

 

Puritans, Baptists, Episcopalians, and Church of England members helped found the country.

 

Inaugurations, Courtrooms, many Graduations, Weddings, Funerals, Memorial Services, all have prayer.

 

America is a Christian-founded country.

Really, thats the argument you bring up to prove that point? You will open the gates of alot of old tradition that makes zero sense now. We are a multi-relgion society and therefor shouldnt show a preference during a federal ceremony. religion is simply out of place on that stage.

America is a Christian-founded country.

America was founded on people fleeing from religious persecution.

The U.S. Constitution is a secular document. It begins, "We the people," and contains no mention of "God" or "Christianity." Its only references to religion are exclusionary, such as, "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust" (Art. VI), and "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" (First Amendment). The presidential oath of office, the only oath detailed in the Constitution, does not contain the phrase "so help me God" or any requirement to swear on a bible (Art. II, Sec. 1, Clause 8). If we are a Christian nation, why doesn't our Constitution say so?

 

In 1797 America made a treaty with Tripoli, declaring that "the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." This reassurance to Islam was written under Washington's presidency, and approved by the Senate under John Adams.

 

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Really, thats the argument you bring up to prove that point? You will open the gates of alot of old tradition that makes zero sense now. We are a multi-relgion society and therefor shouldnt show a preference during a federal ceremony. religion is simply out of place on that stage.

I'm not arguing anything.

 

The laws, rules and traditions of this country are based on Christian religious principles.

 

 

 

 

America was founded on people fleeing from religious persecution.

And... those people were Christians.

Again, Steff, read the whole damn thread and its context before trying to call me out. I think I made my point pretty clear if you read past the first post you wanted to throw piss all over me for.

 

 

Maybe you need to read it again because it had nothing to do with what Obama did or didn't do on stage. I know it's the norm to toss s*** back at others and they crawl away but I think it was incredibly ignorant of you to attack BS and Rock's opinion on the prayer and I don't have a problem saying so. I don't know what your point was. But that was mine.

And... those people were Christians.

oh my god, yeah, we get it - but NOW the country is based (hopefully) on unity and people from all different faiths and backgrounds coming together and all that jazz.

Maybe you need to read it again because it had nothing to do with what Obama did or didn't do on stage. I know it's the norm to toss s*** back at others and they crawl away but I think it was incredibly ignorant of you to attack BS and Rock's opinion on the prayer and I don't have a problem saying so. I don't know what your point was. But that was mine.

I think you really should retract those claws and tone it down some. Please.

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Why is it hard to understand the point?

 

It's their CHOICE to have this included. Much of it is based on tradition. If they don't want to have it, they wouldn't.

 

No, the Constitution doesn't have that mention, and it shouldn't. But this is a (I question the word "civil") ceremony - it's an inauguration - it's something that is not explicit to the Constitution. It's a ceremony that means nothing, really, since the Constitution explicitly says when the office is vacated by the former president.

 

It's a big f***ing party for show. That's it.

 

Maybe you need to read it again because it had nothing to do with what Obama did or didn't do on stage. I know it's the norm to toss s*** back at others and they crawl away but I think it was incredibly ignorant of you to attack BS and Rock's opinion on the prayer and I don't have a problem saying so. I don't know what your point was. But that was mine.

 

I disagreed with their OPINION and stated my OPINION of their OPINION. Do you get that now or are you going to keep up your crusade of trying to make me look like an ass for some reason? Hell, I think Rock and BS even get what I was trying to say.

 

Why is it hard to understand the point?

I understand the point but find it unnecessary and not inclusive.

Why is it hard to understand the point?

 

It's their CHOICE to have this included. Much of it is based on tradition. If they don't want to have it, they wouldn't.

 

No, the Constitution doesn't have that mention, and it shouldn't. But this is a (I question the word "civil") ceremony - it's an inauguration - it's something that is not explicit to the Constitution. It's a ceremony that means nothing, really, since the Constitution explicitly says when the office is vacated by the former president.

 

It's a big f***ing party for show. That's it.

 

 

If that's your point fine. Then don't in the next breath give s*** to someone that doesn't share the same thoughts.

 

 

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 20, 2009 -> 02:41 PM)

The inauguration is a state function not a religious function. I find it completely unnecessary to perform religious ceremonies during something like this.

 

Wow. People can't give anything a rest, can they?

 

 

 

I understand the point but find it unnecessary and not inclusive.

Fair enough. I wasn't sure I was getting that across since apparently I had to get called out by Steff.

 

Personally, I think we could do without all the whole thing. It's just a show, in reality, as I was saying.

 

wow. welcome to the s***show.

If that's your point fine. Then don't in the next breath give s*** to someone that doesn't share the same thoughts.

 

 

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 20, 2009 -> 02:41 PM)

The inauguration is a state function not a religious function. I find it completely unnecessary to perform religious ceremonies during something like this.

Good lord. That'w what you are giving me crap over? I didn't even mean it about that comment.

 

I meant it as there has to be a complaint on everything, I didn't mean it about that particular topic. OK, now I see what you were yelling at me for. By "it" I meant in general, not about "it" being religion.