RedPinStripes Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 Paul is another one who's a moron on the base path. That's why this team dont win. Fundamentals are priority #1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 MJ And Foulke are enough for Koch. I like Koch, he has the potential to be a lights out closer for a long time. I also think Foulke can rebound, so I don't want to give up a really good prospect plus Foulke to make this trade. Keith probably needs and wants a change of scene after the way he was jerked around by the Sox. Closers have slumps, he wasn't allowed to work out of his. As far as WS catchers go, MJ and Paul depress me. I hope Olivo seizes his chance and makes good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 Originally posted by RedPinStripes That's why this team dont win. Fundamentals are priority #1 I agree absolutely. I am not as much concerned about who plays for us right now as opposed to whether who we have can play the game. I'd like to know that we had some good teaching and coaching going on. The base running blunders last year, the last two years, have been horrendous. We've blown a bunch of games on some stupid mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 All depends on who the ML is. Foulke, MJ for Koch is great, but I'm weary on the ML. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 Originally posted by cwsox Originally posted by RedPinStripes That's why this team dont win. Fundamentals are priority #1 I agree absolutely. I am not as much concerned about who plays for us right now as opposed to whether who we have can play the game. I'd like to know that we had some good teaching and coaching going on. The base running blunders last year, the last two years, have been horrendous. We've blown a bunch of games on some stupid mistakes. Thats for sure. Luckily I think that Willie Harris, Jimenez and Crede are all pretty smart and sound fundemental players. I think the White Sox are grooming their players to be more sound now, instead of lookig for just all the tools and no smarts, they look for a mixture of both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 When I look at the trade again, this trade doesn't make any sense. Oakland is strapped for cash, as usual. Why would they trade their closer who will make 4 million less than Foulke? They're adding salary, when they can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 I'm thinking that they may end up moving Foulke for someone else of need, quite possibly. That or they are looking for a guy that becomes a free agent at the end of the year for some reason. For some reason I think they really want MJ as their starting catcher, and then they get a closer with similar ablility as Koch in return. Man i hope we aren't giving up a decent prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 Originally posted by theoldromanAnd whats the whole point in this trade? Its like the David Wells trade. Were basically switching comodities. Ace for ace, closer for closer. Foulke is a little b****. He can take his choke ass out of here whenever he wants. As for why this would be a good move, Foulke is gone after this year anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 gee, i wonder what billy koch thinks of this trade??..coming from a team that wins to the sox and im sure he heard ray -ray talk about how KW runs this place like it is a maximum security prision...he must be thrilled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 Originally posted by baggio202gee, i wonder what billy koch thinks of this trade??..coming from a team that wins to the sox and im sure he heard ray -ray talk about how KW runs this place like it is a maximum security prision...he must be thrilled Yeah, but we got Bruce Kimm now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndyce Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 In my opinion, as long as KW wouldnt trade one of our stud minors, I am all for Koch. I doubt wether Oakland would do this. I had Koch on my fantasy baseball team this year, so I watched him all the time. He is an excellent, overpowering pitcher with great stuff. Ive seen that SOB throw 100 with a good curve. the thing with Foulke, is he basically had his super-changeup, and when people got used to that he was screwed. koch is a good, raw young guy. I think if he could work on his location a little bit (its not so good), he could be the dominating closer in the majors. Oh and think of this. Buerhle throwing all of his junk in the trunk and changeups, then here comes koch with 100+ mph fastball and throwing chin music with it. he would be unhittable but knowing KW, hell trade borchard, Rauch, almonte, Joe Valentine, and our first round picks for the next 15 years for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppy Hidalgo Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 but knowing KW, hell trade borchard, Rauch, almonte, Joe Valentine, and our first round picks for the next 15 years for him. You can't trade draft picks in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedPinStripes Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 Originally posted by Poppy Hidalgo but knowing KW, hell trade borchard, Rauch, almonte, Joe Valentine, and our first round picks for the next 15 years for him. Welcome. Love that name! LOL! You can't trade draft picks in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFan Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 I have a question? If this trade does happen does anyone feel the Sox resigned MJ knowning full well they were going to get rid of him. I just thought with the Sox going into Spring training with three catchers that one was going somewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppy Hidalgo Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 Originally posted by CaliSoxFanI have a question? If this trade does happen does anyone feel the Sox resigned MJ knowning full well they were going to get rid of him. I just thought with the Sox going into Spring training with three catchers that one was going somewhere As far as I know Josh Paul is not under contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 Originally posted by Poppy Hidalgo You can't trade draft picks in baseball. And thank God for that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 Originally posted by CaliSoxFanI have a question? If this trade does happen does anyone feel the Sox resigned MJ knowning full well they were going to get rid of him. I just thought with the Sox going into Spring training with three catchers that one was going somewhere Trust me, the only reason he was signed when he was, was because the Sox had the intention of moving him elsewhere. Otherwise they would of just waited, its not like he would of won big bucks in arbirtration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 Originally posted by Poppy HidalgoAs far as I know Josh Paul is not under contract. Is he just waiting for arbitration or is he technically a free agent? I thought Parque and Ritchie are the only two remaining Sox that were abritration eligible which would lead me to believe Paul is still with the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppy Hidalgo Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 Originally posted by Chisoxfn Originally posted by Poppy HidalgoAs far as I know Josh Paul is not under contract. Is he just waiting for arbitration or is he technically a free agent? I thought Parque and Ritchie are the only two remaining Sox that were abritration eligible which would lead me to believe Paul is still with the Sox. My intention was he would be the first to be waived to clear room on the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 Two players -- pitchers Jim Parque, and Todd Ritchie, -- remain eligible for salary arbitration. The White Sox have until Dec. 7 to offer players arbitration. If clubs do not offer arbitration to eligible players, they lose their rights to sign the free agents until May 1, 2003. Players already signed for the 2003 season and beyond are noted below. The Sox retain rights to those players not yet signed for 2003. Thomas is not officially on the roster because of his status as a conditional free agent. The White Sox 40-man roster includes the following players. Those players signed for 2003 and beyond are noted. The club retains the rights to players not yet signed for 2003. Pitchers (24): Jon Adkins, Edwin Almonte, Rocky Biddle, Mark Buehrle, Felix Diaz, Keith Foulke (2003), Jon Garland, Matt Ginter, Gary Glover, Delvis Lantigua, Corwin Malone, Damaso Marte, Arnie Munoz, Antonio Osuna (2003), Jim Parque, Mike Porzio, Jon Rauch, Todd Ritchie, David Sanders, Josh Stewart, Joe Valentine, Brian West, Dan Wright, Kelly Wunsch Catchers (3): Mark Johnson (2003), Miguel Olivo, Josh Paul Infielders (9): Joe Crede, Jason Dellaero, Tony Graffanino (2003), Willie Harris, Tim Hummell, D'Angelo Jimenez, Paul Konerko (2005), Jeff Liefer, Jose Valentin (2003) Outfielders (4): Joe Borchard, Carlos Lee (2003), Magglio Ordonez (2004), Aaron Rowand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 Originally posted by Poppy Hidalgo but knowing KW, hell trade borchard, Rauch, almonte, Joe Valentine, and our first round picks for the next 15 years for him. You can't trade draft picks in baseball. With the new CBA, you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 Originally posted by Cerbaho-WG Originally posted by Poppy Hidalgo but knowing KW, hell trade borchard, Rauch, almonte, Joe Valentine, and our first round picks for the next 15 years for him. You can't trade draft picks in baseball. With the new CBA, you can. Hmmm, If this is the case..... I think this is gonna revolutionize trades as we know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppy Hidalgo Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 With the new CBA, you can. No you still can't,perhaps you should read the particulars of the CBA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 If I remember right, they changed the plans of reworking the draft, aka the compensation and everything and are going to work it out this offseason or the next offseason, although they do expect to allow the trading of draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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