July 30, 200916 yr http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/31/sports/b...tml?_r=1&hp This is just funny how they keep leaking one or two names at a time. We all know most sluggers at the time were on the juice, just release the list already and get it over with...
July 30, 200916 yr Hm, I wonder if Hawk changes his tune in regards to the best duo he has ever seen?
July 30, 200916 yr Shocking. I've always known those two weren't innocent. I thought it was funny how you almost never heard any speculation about them being on steroids, but everybody else was under suspicion.
July 30, 200916 yr Will be curious if Gammons comes out defending the Red Sox like he normally does (when the Manny story broke this year he basically said he didn't think there was a chance he was on it with the Red Sox) or if ESPN just keeps him away from the story
July 30, 200916 yr I'm shocked!!! So you're saying he didn't starting putting up Hall of Fame numbers for a period of time because he simply changed his hitting philosophy?
July 30, 200916 yr Hey you know what... We actually swept a team who depended on two juicers back in 05.
July 30, 200916 yr So at what point does their World Series win in '04 get tarnished? I'm of the opinion that it already is. I would love to hear what Schilling has to say about htis.
July 30, 200916 yr QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 11:44 AM) So at what point does their World Series win in '04 get tarnished? I'm of the opinion that it already is. I would love to hear what Schilling has to say about htis. This is a glorious day for Yankees fans.
July 30, 200916 yr They looked shell shocked on ESPN. Steve Phillips is pretty much being an apologist for them.
July 30, 200916 yr QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 05:46 PM) This is a glorious day for Yankees fans. Someone needs to link that incredible Bill Simmons article the day the Manny news first broke.
July 30, 200916 yr QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 11:46 AM) They looked shell shocked on ESPN. Steve Phillips is pretty much being an apologist for them. I wouldn't be suprised if ESPN turns to a "everybody did it" tact and start spewing that basically everyone was on them so the playing field was equal and they didn't really have an advantage
July 30, 200916 yr QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 09:49 AM) Someone needs to link that incredible Bill Simmons article the day the Manny news first broke. Done
July 30, 200916 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 11:50 AM) Done eh, not enough J-Bug, Hench and Karate Kid references for my taste
July 30, 200916 yr QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 11:46 AM) Wow Big Shocker here.... it will be hilarious to watch ESPN now. I feel sorry watching this. They're saying the Red Sox are just as tainted as everybody else who had roid users. Really? Their two best players were on roids. It's not like they were Timo Perez.
July 30, 200916 yr I think we as White Sox fans have to face the realistic possability that within a year a major name on the 05 team will be strongly tied to steroids. I'm not actually thinking of anybody in particular, but the way the numbers are shaking out, I'm just trying to be logical
July 30, 200916 yr QUOTE (zenryan @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 05:53 PM) That whole Red Sox offense was probably on something. I've been telling people on here for 5 years that the son of a scout who I went to Grad School with told me back in 2003 that the Red Sox players were the biggest abusers of PEDs in all of baseball.
July 30, 200916 yr QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 05:54 PM) I think we as White Sox fans have to face the realistic possability that within a year a major name on the 05 team will be strongly tied to steroids. I'm not actually thinking of anybody in particular, but the way the numbers are shaking out, I'm just trying to be logical Wasn't 2005 though the first year that they had testing? I would say it's very likely we were the cleanest World Series winners in a few decades.
July 30, 200916 yr QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 11:55 AM) Wasn't 2005 though the first year that they had testing? I would say it's very likely we were the cleanest World Series winners in a few decades. well, there's HGH and many other things, also, the 2003 list many of us are projecting on to the 04 Red Sox WS team I should have said PEDs instead of steroids in my orig post Edited July 30, 200916 yr by SoxFan562004
July 30, 200916 yr QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 09:55 AM) Wasn't 2005 though the first year that they had testing? I would say it's very likely we were the cleanest World Series winners in a few decades. 2004 was the first year they had regular testing...but no penalties and no exposure for a first positive test. 2005 was the first year with testing and immediate suspensions for a first positive test. That's the year Palmeiro was caught.
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