Also, in his contract the Twins are not allowed to offer him arbitration which means he will leave at the end of the season, and the Twins get nothing.

Thats what I dont get, how is he an upgrade? He is a downgrade defensively and offensively he is about the same as the guy he is replacing. Frankly, if this means less of Nick Punto, I see this as a win for the White Sox.

 

Punto (along with Gomez and other crappy Twin players) is tough against us, but for the rest of the league, he sucks. Having him play less is only a positive for the Twins.

Its funny, I keep having this illogical reaction to these deals, where I want KW to do something.

 

Then I realize, I am not sure what the team could even use at this point.

 

Therefore, I'd like him to go big (Peavy-level big), or stand pat.

We could realistically add an Of'er (maybe) a SP, and a 2B. A bullpen arm could help if it was a top tier lefty.

Punto (along with Gomez and other crappy Twin players) is tough against us, but for the rest of the league, he sucks. Having him play less is only a positive for the Twins.

But you also have to realize that having O-Cab at short is a positive for the White Sox as well considering how much he has declined. Offensively he had to go on a tear this month to even get his numbers up to Harris's level.

My new thread idea "If O-Cab had accepted arbitration...."

 

Yea, we'd be better. Getz out, him in. Better on defense and offense, b/c i'd move AR back to 2b.

I'm sure Twins fans are doing back flips down the streets of Minneapolis right now.

We could realistically add an Of'er (maybe) a SP, and a 2B. A bullpen arm could help if it was a top tier lefty.

Add Jared Mitchell. I'm ready!

Thats what I dont get, how is he an upgrade? He is a downgrade defensively and offensively he is about the same as the guy he is replacing. Frankly, if this means less of Nick Punto, I see this as a win for the White Sox.

Punto sucks. Casilla sucks. The're HOFers against the Sox but are terrible against everyone else.

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OC was money for us down the stretch, while most of our guys s*** their pants once Quentin went down. He made some stupid decisions (he just doesn't seem that bright to me), but honestly, he was really just trying to jump start us from the usual HR or nothing GIDP ball we fall into way too often

 

His D was very disappointing though

We could realistically add an Of'er (maybe) a SP, and a 2B. A bullpen arm could help if it was a top tier lefty.

Any OF or SP to replace what we have needs to be pretty high end though, otherwise it isn't worth it. Same with 2B. And I see no need at all for a top tier lefty reliever.

 

The ideal candidate, if there is one, is a highly regarded SP or OF that is just on the cusp of coming up to the majors. Someone who could jump up if TCQ or Contreras breaks down, but who we wouldn't screw up by keeping in AAA the rest of the season.

 

That's a narrow focus, though.

 

My new thread idea "If O-Cab had accepted arbitration...."

 

Yea, we'd be better. Getz out, him in. Better on defense and offense, b/c i'd move AR back to 2b.

 

I guess you haven't seen him play defense yet this year.

 

Plus, his bat has just gotten better in the past month. He was one of the worst players in baseball until June.

Meh, I'd take Cabrera over Punto, obviously. But I don't see this as a difference making move (I.E. the Tigers getting Washburn).

My new thread idea "If O-Cab had accepted arbitration...."

 

Yea, we'd be better. Getz out, him in. Better on defense and offense, b/c i'd move AR back to 2b.

That would be about $9 million KW would have had to cut from somewhere. The Sox did cartwheels and breathed a sigh of relief when Cabrera cost himself millions and rejected arb.

Our two biggest rivals are getting better today... lets see if KW does anything to make us better. Only what, less than 3 hours left?

 

Don't worry... we probably got Felix Pie on the way!

 

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My new thread idea "If O-Cab had accepted arbitration...."

 

Yea, we'd be better. Getz out, him in. Better on defense and offense, b/c i'd move AR back to 2b.

He's been horrible at SS this year, and Alexei was terrible at 2B last year.

 

Getz has been below average at second this year (-4.1 UZR, -6.2 UZR/150, -2.9 RngR), but he's got much better UZR rating across the board than Alexei did at 2b last year (-8.3 UZR, -10.6 UZR/150, -6.9 RngR), and 'Lexi is on the positive side of UZR(2.8), UZR/150(4.2) and RngR(4.3) at SS this season.

I look at this as subtraction by addition.

He's been horrible at SS this year, and Alexei was terrible at 2B last year.

 

Getz has been below average at second this year (-4.1 UZR, -6.2 UZR/150, -2.9 RngR), but he's got much better UZR rating across the board than Alexei did at 2b last year (-8.3 UZR, -10.6 UZR/150, -6.9 RngR), and 'Lexi is on the positive side of UZR(2.8), UZR/150(4.2) and RngR(4.3) at SS this season.

 

Alexei was great at 2B last year, and no numbers can tell me differently.

He's been horrible at SS this year, and Alexei was terrible at 2B last year.

 

Getz has been below average at second this year (-4.1 UZR, -6.2 UZR/150, -2.9 RngR), but he's got much better UZR rating across the board than Alexei did at 2b last year (-8.3 UZR, -10.6 UZR/150, -6.9 RngR), and 'Lexi is on the positive side of UZR(2.8), UZR/150(4.2) and RngR(4.3) at SS this season.

 

Don't tell this to people who hate Alexei Ramirez's defense and UZR.

Don't tell this to people who hate Alexei Ramirez's defense and UZR.

 

You can't quantify dumb, no matter how hard you try.

Don't tell this to people who hate Alexei Ramirez's defense and UZR.

Wasn't the UZR that had Alfonso Soriano as one of the finest defensive LF in baseball last season?

Wasn't the UZR that had Alfonso Soriano as one of the finest defensive LF in baseball last season?

 

That was 2007. He was barely above average last year. This year though, he's been atrocious.

That was 2007. He was barely above average last year. This year though, he's been atrocious.

Any rating system that had Soriano ranked high and above average, when even the Cubs announcers say there are a few thousand people in the stands that are probably better with the glove than him, needs a little tweaking.

Any rating system that had Soriano ranked high and above average, when even the Cubs announcers say there are a few thousand people in the stands that are probably better with the glove than him, needs a little tweaking.

 

Soriano's got a good arm and I guess his range is a little better than what we give him credit for. To the naked eye, he sucks. But sabermetrics almost go completely against that.

 

But then again, isn't UZR the thing that told how great of a fielder Dewayne Wise is?

Apparently, when teh Twins were in Oakland the other week, Morneau and Mauer were chatting it up with O-Cab, saying they want him on the Twins...fwiw

 

Im pretty 'meh' on the deal. his numbers are a duplicate of Brendan Harris

Punto sucks. Casilla sucks. The're HOFers against the Sox but are terrible against everyone else.

 

Add Gomez to that list too...