Get it done KW. He would be a very good hitter at the cell and add a lot to our lineup.

 

Though he will be 36, he still has power and can add that OBP that we surely need that's for sure. The sox HAVE to be confident that he can still play the field as even though logically it makes the most sense to put this man in your DH spot, Matsui himself, and the sox org. want to have him play some LF for versatility as well.

 

Can this guy play in the OF anymore? What is the fixartion with aging veterans? I guess given the ALC is a division that is rebuilding, Williams thinks he can try to sneak another division title out of it before these players go down to the Social Security Administration and apply for their benefits.

Though he will be 36, he still has power and can add that OBP that we surely need that's for sure. The sox HAVE to be confident that he can still play the field as even though logically it makes the most sense to put this man in your DH spot, Matsui himself, and the sox org. want to have him play some LF for versatility as well.

Even when he was capable of playing the field he was still no damn good at it. Even if he is physically capable of playing the position he'll be an incredible liability out there.

oh pls pls pls pls pls

Can this guy play in the OF anymore? What is the fixartion with aging veterans? I guess given the ALC is a division that is rebuilding, Williams thinks he can try to sneak another division title out of it before these players go down to the Social Security Administration and apply for their benefits.

Because young, good hitters are very difficult to find and expensive to acquire and retain? Where as older, good hitters who are limited physically are substantially easier to find, acquire and retain?

Can this guy play in the OF anymore? What is the fixartion with aging veterans? I guess given the ALC is a division that is rebuilding, Williams thinks he can try to sneak another division title out of it before these players go down to the Social Security Administration and apply for their benefits.

 

Who else is available that can give Matsui type numbers at DH>? We need offense bad

Even when he was capable of playing the field he was still no damn good at it. Even if he is physically capable of playing the position he'll be an incredible liability out there.

 

Unfortunately, the sox probably don't particularly care about how "good" he could be as long as he is serviceable out there. They seem to want a rotating type DH who can play the field and give more versatility for Ozzie.

Could be a real good thing, considering not only his bat, but the fact they would bring in a lot of revenue from the Japanese fan base.

Unfortunately, the sox probably don't particularly care about how "good" he could be as long as he is serviceable out there. They seem to want a rotating type DH who can play the field and give more versatility for Ozzie.

Then Matsui isn't their guy. You can't rotate him between LF and DH and expect that to work.

Who else is available that can give Matsui type numbers at DH>? We need offense bad

 

 

Can Harold Baines still hit?

 

Hell, I don't know...I thought we were going to get younger, more athletic, faster, less injury proned, better defensively.

 

Granted if Matsui can give you 500ABs, he should be a productive hitter, and our starting rotation is definately ready to compete for post-season, even if the rest of the team isn't.

Funny that people are talking about Teahen struggling because he keeps moving all over the field, yet aren't worried about Quentin/Jones/Kotsay/Matsui/Rios when they may end up doing the exact same thing.

Can Harold Baines still hit?

 

Hell, I don't know...I thought we were going to get younger, more athletic, faster, less injury proned, better defensively.

 

Granted if Matsui can give you 500ABs, he should be a productive hitter, and our starting rotation is definately ready to compete for post-season, even if the rest of the team isn't.

Unless you're willing to be real bad or sport a giant payroll you really can't do that in one offseason.

Can Harold Baines still hit?

 

Hell, I don't know...I thought we were going to get younger, more athletic, faster, less injury proned, better defensively.

 

Granted if Matsui can give you 500ABs, he should be a productive hitter, and our starting rotation is definately ready to compete for post-season, even if the rest of the team isn't.

Who is young, good, can play defense well, and isnt impossible to obtain?

 

Im listening...

Who is young, good, can play defense well, and isnt impossible to obtain?

 

Im listening...

 

BJ Upton is the best one off the top of my head, and he'd cost quite a bit even after coming off of two rough seasons.

Who else is available that can give Matsui type numbers at DH>? We need offense bad

 

I would still take the younger Nick Johnson at DH just because of his outstanding ability to get on base, even though he's had a Quentin type injury history himself (I trust Herm though) but who knows how high his asking price is. For all this talk about power, I think he can net you 15 homers here (he did hit 23 about 3 years ago when he actually had 500+ PA) but like I said... it is a bit of a risk.

 

Then Matsui isn't their guy. You can't rotate him between LF and DH and expect that to work.

 

If this comes to pass.. obviously they disagree.

Edited December 8, 200916 yr by SoxAce

BJ Upton is the best one off the top of my head, and he'd cost quite a bit even after coming off of two rough seasons.

Exactly, at Upton's possible lowest value he would still cost a ton in prospects.

BJ Upton is the best one off the top of my head, and he'd cost quite a bit even after coming off of two rough seasons.

Which brings the "good" portion of the statement into question.

Who is young, good, can play defense well, and isnt impossible to obtain?

 

Im listening...

 

 

Well I was hoping the GM would figure that out.

 

Because we can't find a Matt Holiday to put into our lineup we choose instead to get older, slower, worse defensively? Just not excited about players whose prime was 5 years ago.

 

 

Exactly, at Upton's possible lowest value he would still cost a ton in prospects.

 

 

Which brings the "good" portion of the statement into question.

 

Precisely. It's not easy to go from "aging veteran" to "young athletic" overnight. And, for that matter, there are some young athletic teams that scare the hell out of me in a bad way. Young, athletic teams are generally not very good teams.

Well I was hoping the GM would figure that out.

 

Because we can't find a Matt Holiday to put into our lineup we choose instead to get older, slower, worse defensively? Just not excited about players whose prime was 5 years ago.

 

Matt Holliday turns 30 before the season starts. Alex Rios turns 29. As such, my argument to you would be that the Sox got younger, faster, and more athletic with that move right there. You never said anything about getting better.

Edited December 8, 200916 yr by witesoxfan

We need to get younger, not older.

Well I was hoping the GM would figure that out.

 

Because we can't find a Matt Holiday to put into our lineup we choose instead to get older, slower, worse defensively? Just not excited about players whose prime was 5 years ago.

That's kind of the whole point behind the Rios acquisition. If he reaches his career norms at the plate and in the field in 2010 he'll fit your description exactly. And like every other player who fits that description he did not come cheap.

Unless you're willing to be real bad or sport a giant payroll you really can't do that in one offseason.

 

 

True True, but Williams should have seen this all coming. We had numerous chances to turn our own aging vets into young talent, but waited until the shelf life was used up at which point Williams shops said players and gets bad offers.

 

That of course is a dead horse thats been beaten to death here, but it's clear the Sox have no position players ready to fill in at OF, we really don't have many top prospects to turn around for a high ceiling players, so...this is what we're doing, adding players like Jones and Matsui...I guess it's better than Lillibridge out there.

Edited December 8, 200916 yr by kwolf68

We need to get younger, not older.

Possible alternatives who are young, good and available?

Well I was hoping the GM would figure that out.

 

Because we can't find a Matt Holiday to put into our lineup we choose instead to get older, slower, worse defensively? Just not excited about players whose prime was 5 years ago.

Fields was young and athletic, you want him back starting for us? He would possibly be the worst starting third baseman in baseball.

 

I prefer good players who are athletic, but those guys are hard to acquire and are rare.