I have been a lifelong Democrat, but because I didn't trust Obama with re. Israel, I couldn't vote for BO in good conscience. Unfortunately, it seems that my fears were (are) reality.

 

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0410/tobin041910.php3

It amazes me how the plurarily of Jewish voters remain staunchly democratic despite this administration's obvious turn away from Israel.

Is it against Isreal or just more neutral on Israel?

I would say its Israel going against the rest of the world, unfortunately.

 

You have them building new settlements in occupied territory, despite agreeing not to and you have the assassination of foreign agents on foreign soil using identity papers forged from the UK, another ally. Friends don't try to get state secrets from other friends illegally, either. But Israel has done it.

 

Just because the United States refuses to turn a blind eye to these kind of diplomatic shenanigans doesn't mean that the United States doesn't stand with Israel. It does, however, mean that the foreign policy initiatives have shifted back to the Poppa Bush regime of honest broker in the region.

 

Seeking to achieve a lasting peace in a region doesn't make you an enemy.

Until the U.S. stops sending Israel several billion dollars a year in military and other aid...the U.S. is not turning against Israel.

If Israel wants us to like them more they should stop electing the Likud Party every other election.

It amazes me how the plurarily of Jewish voters remain staunchly democratic despite this administration's obvious turn away from Israel.

 

 

As a Jew, I agree with you. My situation is that I am not, nor have I ever been a "1-issue voter". I am deeply concerned about the environment, human rights, womens' rights, etc. (That's why I have never (would never) vote(d) Republican.)

 

Israel is a very important "issue" to me, and I think we need a President who truly values her importance as an ally.

Until the U.S. stops sending Israel several billion dollars a year in military and other aid...the U.S. is not turning against Israel.

The US also sends billions of dollars in aid to Arab nations (including the "Palestinians"), and they are not what any sane person would consider "allies"!

I would say its Israel going against the rest of the world, unfortunately.

 

You have them building new settlements in occupied territory, despite agreeing not to and you have the assassination of foreign agents on foreign soil using identity papers forged from the UK, another ally. Friends don't try to get state secrets from other friends illegally, either. But Israel has done it.

 

Just because the United States refuses to turn a blind eye to these kind of diplomatic shenanigans doesn't mean that the United States doesn't stand with Israel. It does, however, mean that the foreign policy initiatives have shifted back to the Poppa Bush regime of honest broker in the region.

 

Seeking to achieve a lasting peace in a region doesn't make you an enemy.

 

There was a 10-month moratorium on building settlements in Jerusalem (which belongs to Israel, always has and alway will!) that lapsed. Israel did NOT build during the moratorium.

 

They assassinated known terrorists/murderers...I don't shed one tear for them.

 

Seeking to achieve a "lasting peace" at the expense of Israel's national security DOES make one an enemy IMO.

The US also sends billions of dollars in aid to Arab nations (including the "Palestinians"), and they are not what any sane person would consider "allies"!

Military aid to Israel is something like a factor of 10 times larger than aid (virtually all of it humanitarian) to the Palestinian Authority.

Military aid to Israel is something like a factor of 10 times larger than aid (virtually all of it humanitarian) to the Palestinian Authority.

 

That money that goes to the PA never gets to the people who need it. The "Palestinians" live in poverty and squalor, due to the greed of their "leaders". But rockets and explosive belts cost $, and this money has to come from somewhere.

 

(Supposedly Arafat's wife is worth several hundred million dollars, of "humanitarian aid".)

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But rockets and explosive belts cost $, and this money has to come from somewhere.

Yeah, like $800 a pop for the rockets. You could raise that by just walking into a Mosque and taking up a collection. That's kind of the whole point of the style of fighting out there...one side is massively over-equipped compared to the other side.

The US also sends billions of dollars in aid to Arab nations (including the "Palestinians"), and they are not what any sane person would consider "allies"!

We give Egypt roughly the same amount of money we give Israel. They are bribes to keep the two from going to war again.

Jerusalem (which belongs to Israel, always has and alway will!)

That attitude is going to keep this conflict going on for another 60 years.

I have been a lifelong Democrat, but because I didn't trust Obama with re. Israel, I couldn't vote for BO in good conscience. Unfortunately, it seems that my fears were (are) reality.

 

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0410/tobin041910.php3

 

 

Welcome back. You tipped your identity pretty quickly.

We give Egypt roughly the same amount of money we give Israel. They are bribes to keep the two from going to war again.

We actually give Egypt something like 60-75% of what we give Israel in a typical year, although the amount given to Israel occasinally surges forwards.

That money that goes to the PA never gets to the people who need it. The "Palestinians" live in poverty and squalor, due to the greed of their "leaders". But rockets and explosive belts cost $, and this money has to come from somewhere.

 

(Supposedly Arafat's wife is worth several hundred million dollars, of "humanitarian aid".)

 

I don't recall many suicide bombings coming from the West Bank these days. In fact, the ADL doesn't list anything like this coming from the West Bank and the PA since 2008.

They assassinated known terrorists/murderers...I don't shed one tear for them.

 

Seeking to achieve a "lasting peace" at the expense of Israel's national security DOES make one an enemy IMO.

 

If a country has a policy of targeted murder, that's fine. If you illegally forge resources from allied countries without their knowledge to do that, that's a problem.

 

Friends don't fake friends' passports to kill other people.

Friends don't fake friends' passports to kill other people.

So, um, what else would you want for your birthday? I had this idea but. . .

Looks like I4E tried and failed to return

He makes himself pretty obvious. SteveB/Stevebartmansmyidol/I4E

 

 

not even trying to hide really.

So, um, what else would you want for your birthday? I had this idea but. . .

 

I'm glad you changed your mind, that's what I got you for YOUR birthday!

You dont have to blindly support Israel to be Jewish.

 

This is a common passage from a Passover Haggadah:

 

The redemption is not yet complete. Not everyone in our world is yet free.

This fourth cup reminds us of our responsibility to be God's partners in

bringing freedom to those enslaved, peace to those at war, food to those

who hunger. This is our purpose as Jews. May we live to fulfill it.

 

Things are always more complicated then they seem.

 

 

I'm glad you changed your mind, that's what I got you for YOUR birthday!

Well that would have been embarrassing!

Well that would have been embarrassing!

 

At least offer him the choice of who you kill...