What about Quentin + prospects? They need a DH and might not mind taking prospects who are 2-3 years away. They also have a need for a 1B and we've got Viciedo. Picking up Garza would actually make a Buehrle salary dump a sensible baseball move because we'd likely at least tread water if not improve our pitching while opening more salary room. Or more likely, it could allow for a Jackson/Floyd/Danks trade which could fill other areas.

I would send Floyd and Q

Rays will wait to see where Lee lands to pull the trigger on this. Garza is no Lee, but he would be a solid addition to any rotation

I would send Floyd and Q

That's too much.

to the Twins for Delmon Young....oh wait.

I would send Floyd and Q

Too much IMO. But CQ and Viciedo would be a haul I think. Or maybe they'd prefer one of those plus a Mitchell or THompson or something. They won't find a CQ-like bat on the market for around $5M or whatever he'll get in arb.

Too much IMO. But CQ and Viciedo would be a haul I think. Or maybe they'd prefer one of those plus a Mitchell or THompson or something. They won't find a CQ-like bat on the market for around $5M or whatever he'll get in arb.

 

Im just gonna come out and say this... why is everyone so bent of trading quentin... its assumed that we hardly have any money left to spend and what is left is likely to go towards the bullpen... who is going to play RF if Quentin is traded? Unless you want a Kotsay type back or Dunn playing RF this trading Quentin stuff needs to go away unless we move some salary...

 

The Sox are unlikely to make a play for Garza considering we have 5 solid rotation guys unless theyre willing to move a SP as part of a 3 way deal of some sorts

Im just gonna come out and say this... why is everyone so bent of trading quentin... its assumed that we hardly have any money left to spend and what is left is likely to go towards the bullpen... who is going to play RF if Quentin is traded? Unless you want a Kotsay type back or Dunn playing RF this trading Quentin stuff needs to go away unless we move some salary...

 

The Sox are unlikely to make a play for Garza considering we have 5 solid rotation guys unless theyre willing to move a SP as part of a 3 way deal of some sorts

The reason that people want to trade Quentin is that Quentin seems like he belongs at DH, not in RF, where he's terrible and keeps getting hurt, and the Sox just invested a lot of money in one of the best DH's in baseball.

I don't think I could stand his constant spitting.

Um, like, where has it been said that Matt Garza is available? Thread title should be changed.

Um, like, where has it been said that Matt Garza is available? Thread title should be changed.

 

The only thing I saw is that Cubs are interested in trading for Garza.

Per MLBAdRunners "The Cubs are one of four teams in the mix for Rays righty Matt Garza, reports ESPN's Bruce Levine. The Rays are interested in receiving prospects in return." Sounds like he's available to me.

Per MLBAdRunners "The Cubs are one of four teams in the mix for Rays righty Matt Garza, reports ESPN's Bruce Levine. The Rays are interested in receiving prospects in return." Sounds like he's available to me.

 

Ok then. I didn't see that. Carry on.

There's also an article on the Rays site (front page) saying how they need a 1B. They also need a DH, and with payroll concerns, and a surplus of SP, it seems to me like this could be a great fit for both sides. We then deal a starter for payroll space to sign a reliever or two and hopefully pick up an OF in the process.

There's also an article on the Rays site (front page) saying how they need a 1B. They also need a DH, and with payroll concerns, and a surplus of SP, it seems to me like this could be a great fit for both sides. We then deal a starter for payroll space to sign a reliever or two and hopefully pick up an OF in the process.

For what it's worth...Garza is a 2nd year arb-eligible player, coming off a $3.35 million deal this year, which means, I think, he's probably somewhere in the $7-$8 million range, maybe a little more, next year. Basically, a very similar number to what Danks is likely to get.

 

Therefore, unless the starter you trade is Peavy (hurt) or Buehrle (NTC), you really don't realize any payroll savings by dealing for Matt Garza and then trading away a starter. In fact, if Floyd is the starter you trade, it hurts your payroll situation.

I would send Floyd and Q

What? Why?

 

Yeah, we all are down on TCQ, but as horrific as he is in right field, we have a CF who can make up for some lost range. Quentin put up a 117 OPS+ last year and we all know he is capable of more when healthy. We won't even be depending on him as much as we really needed him last year.

 

Add to that Floyd had a 107 ERA+ vs. Garza's 101, and I'll say you crazy!

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What? Why?

 

Yeah, we all are down on TCQ, but as horrific as he is in right field, we have a CF who can make up for some lost range. Quentin put up a 117 OPS+ last year and we all know he is capable of more when healthy. We won't even be depending on him as much as we really needed him last year.

 

Add to that Floyd had a 107 ERA+ vs. Garza's 101, and I'll say you crazy!

 

There is no "when healthy" when it comes to CQ. He's never healthy and will more than likely never be healthy. But I agree that Floyd for Garza would be a lateral move.

For what it's worth...Garza is a 2nd year arb-eligible player, coming off a $3.35 million deal this year, which means, I think, he's probably somewhere in the $7-$8 million range, maybe a little more, next year. Basically, a very similar number to what Danks is likely to get.

 

Therefore, unless the starter you trade is Peavy (hurt) or Buehrle (NTC), you really don't realize any payroll savings by dealing for Matt Garza and then trading away a starter. In fact, if Floyd is the starter you trade, it hurts your payroll situation.

Garza is in the same boat as Danks, you're right, but I think they're actually in the $6M range.

 

Let's say we can turn CQ + Viciedo (about $6M already) for Garza. We take on no salary and we open an OF spot.

 

Now we take Danks/Floyd and deal that player for a very talented young OF on a cheap salary. Someone with MLB experience. We also get a reliever in the deal, and we end up saving a couple mil perhaps as well.

 

Then the savings goes toward ANOTHER reliever. Thus, we fill more holes.

 

OR

 

What about we do the same Garza deal as above. Then we send Buehrle to the Mets for Beltran with the Mets throwing in cash to equal out the salaries and sending us prospects. They're apparently considering dumping Beltran anyway and they're going to have to eat a lot of salary in the process. This helps their unsightly pitching staff and saves them from having to eat as much money, and gives them a good shot at a draft pick after MB is a FA. Now we've replaced Garza with MB and CQ with Beltran and our pitching is better and OF defense is vastly improved. With the prospect(s) we can go after a reliever through trade.

 

There are probably tons of possibilities. The main thing for us IMO is that you can ALWAYS trade pitching, but finding fits for other pieces may be a bit tougher. We do however seem to be a fit for TB based on the holes they have and the salary concerns that go along with it. Depending on the deal maybe you throw in something on their side and add prospects on ours, whatever.

I wonder if Rios wants another adquate fielder to play along side? LOL one of the funniest points of last season was when Teahen playing RF and there was a pop fly to right... Teahen had his hands up like he had no idea where it was. Rios easily ran over and caught it, and just looked at Teahen. That was hilarious.

Going off my above trade proposal, here's my ideal offseason completed.

 

Trade Viciedo + Quentin (about $6M) to the Rays for Garza (about $6M)

Trade Buehrle + Teahen ($18.75M) to the Mets for Beltran + Parnell ($18.95M)

Sign Wood 2/$17M ($6.5M in 2011, $8M in 2012, $8M in 2013 or $1.5M buyout)

Sign Jones 1 year, $3M

 

L Pierre LF

R Ramirez SS

R Rios CF

L Dunn DH

R Konerko 1B

S Beltran RF

R Beckham 2B

L Pierzynski C

R Morel 3B

 

R Peavy

L Danks

R Floyd

R Garza

R Jackson

 

R Wood CL

L Thornton SU

R Santos SU

L Sale SU

R Parnell MR

R Infante RSP

R Pena LR

 

R Castro C

S Vizquel 3B, 2B, SS

R Lillibridge SS, 3B, 2B, CF, LF

R Jones OF/DH

 

This has us below $130M in payroll. We could conceivably be the best team in baseball.

Mark Buehrle has 10/5 full NTC rights and I'd give you a strong guess that he'd block that deal.

 

Furthermore...that Wood deal, ew.

Yeah wow, I don't see why anyone would want Wood at that price.

Going off my above trade proposal, here's my ideal offseason completed.

 

Trade Viciedo + Quentin (about $6M) to the Rays for Garza (about $6M)

Trade Buehrle + Teahen ($18.75M) to the Mets for Beltran + Parnell ($18.95M)

 

This has us below $130M in payroll. We could conceivably be the best team in baseball.

 

Does Buehrle have a no trade clause? Do you think Buehrle would accept a trade to New York - especially when it looks like the White Sox have a better chance at winning?

Yeah, its never happening, but I'd like it to.

Does Buehrle have a no trade clause?

Mark Buehrle is a 10/5 player; he's been in the big leagues for 10+ years and with the same team for 5+ years, so he has the right to veto any trade to anyone. His contract originally had more limited NTC protection, but now, he's got the veto.