Yeah, I guess technically Hamels is a 4, but he's really a 3. I'd consider Halladay a 1. Lee and Oswalt are 2's, and Hamels is a 3. I consider Buehrle a 4 because of his production the last 5 seasons. On a championship team, he's the guy that you'd want pitching the 4th game at this point in his career. We need Danks, Jackson, and Floyd to step up, and man, if we get 25-30 starts from Peavy--and a postseason, then we have a shot this season.

 

 

if cliff lee is a 2, how many 1s are there in your ranking system, like 6?

His only Cy Young caliber season was 2005. And TBH he deserved it over Fartolo. Too bad Johan was actually better.

 

That was the biggest farce of the last decade. Fortunately, Saber stats won't allow that s*** to happen again. Johan was like MJ while Bartolo was Reggie Miller that year.

if cliff lee is a 2, how many 1s are there in your ranking system, like 6?

Cliff Lee put up an ERA of near 4 when he got to Texas last year. He had great numbers in Seattle...pitching in Seattle, a great pitcher's park.

 

John Danks actually put up a higher WAR than Cliff Lee last year.

2/$18 or so would be fine by me.

 

Sounds fair to me!

Ha, I love people talking about Mark like he's 35 and his fastball could drop from 95 to 90. He turns 32 this March.

Ha, I love people talking about Mark like he's 35 and his fastball could drop from 95 to 90. He turns 32 this March.

 

Exactly, he has 3 solid years before he even hits 35.

Cliff Lee put up an ERA of near 4 when he got to Texas last year. He had great numbers in Seattle...pitching in Seattle, a great pitcher's park.

 

John Danks actually put up a higher WAR than Cliff Lee last year.

 

Using B-R's, yes - 4.9 to 4.3. Using FanGraphs, which is using defense independent statistics to determine WAR, Cliff Lee was worth 7.1 WAR compared to Danks 4.3.

 

Cliff Lee went to Texas, didn't see his peripherals change drastically (his BB/9 did double...from 0.5 BB/9 to 1 BB/9), and he put up an ERA like a run and a half higher. You think that's his fault? I would say it had a lot more to do with his strand rate going down almost 10% from his career average (71.8% LOB in his career, 62.6% with Texas)

I think the AL Central has and will continue to figure him out. You can only fool people with junk for so long.

Yes, after a whole decade of pitching, the AL Central will finally figure him out, couldn't agree more.

Chet, I'm pretty sure you're the only person in the entire world that thinks Buehrle is going to swiftly fall off a cliff.

 

Personally, I think he's going to put up an ERA of about 4.25 over the next 5-7 years and throw 1000-1500 innings.

So as long as Mark can continue to locate his pitches (something that goes last for pitchers), I agree with those numbers. Solid 3-4 starter in the AL because he will keep ya in games, log 200+ innings and never miss a start. I just Mark to be on the Sox to win 200 games. That, in this era of baseball, is an incredible statistic -- and to do it with one team is extremely rare. I would venture a guess and say no one who has started a career since 2000 has even close to 200 wins (besides Mark with one team).

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Scott Merkin has a nice article up about Buehrle continuing to contemplate the future. Stills wants to stay with the Sox but now with Carpenter's Tommy John surgery the Cards really need pitching help. Co-incidence?

 

Link: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...rtnerId=rss_mlb

 

We all he would not mind being even closer to home if things ever went south here with the "All In" strategy and his 2012 option would kick in.

I'm not trying to call anyone out and I understand his name is unique, but Buehrle has been on this team going on 12 years. We can spell his name the correct way.

Scott Merkin has a nice article up about Buerhle continuing to contemplate the future. Stills wants to stay with the Sox but now with Carpenter's Tommy John surgery the Cards really need pitching help. Co-incidence?

No, clearly not a coincidence. Mark saw that his contract was running out and snuck into Wainright's room at night, where he performed surgery on Wainright's elbow, manually cutting a small slit into his tendon.

I'm not trying to call anyone out and I understand his name is unique, but Buehrle has been on this team going on 12 years. We can spell his name the correct way.

My bad.

I'm not trying to call anyone out and I understand his name is unique, but Buehrle has been on this team going on 12 years. We can spell his name the correct way.

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